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Old 01-26-2018, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Hudson County NJ
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My friend from a country in south America got a visa and will be visiting the USA in the next couple of months. He plans on working in construction or some under the books type of job. I'm guessing he does not plan to return to his country but his english isn't the greatest so it is difficult for us to communicate. We do anyways because we love each other and he is going to stay here.

He is a little anxious about being caught without his papers. Trump and anti immigrant people have truly come out to scare people that are in the shadows. It made me angry to think that these types are putting him through fear.

Anyways...I told him that there are a lot of immigrants, legal or not, in the new york metro area and that you should not have to fear deportation. (I truly am worried though with this monster in the white house)

Anyways...I truly do not care about people's immigration status. It will not get between us. The vast majority of undocumented immigrants are good people and I am sick of the anti-immigrant sentiment that is going around.

If I was a business owner, I would hire people regardless of their immigration status. There I said it!

*rant over*
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Old 01-26-2018, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Confines of the 101 Precinct
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My friend from a country in south America got a visa and will be visiting the USA in the next couple of months. He plans on working in construction or some under the books type of job. I'm guessing he does not plan to return to his country but his english isn't the greatest so it is difficult for us to communicate. We do anyways because we love each other and he is going to stay here.

He is a little anxious about being caught without his papers. Trump and anti immigrant people have truly come out to scare people that are in the shadows. It made me angry to think that these types are putting him through fear.

Anyways...I told him that there are a lot of immigrants, legal or not, in the new york metro area and that you should not have to fear deportation. (I truly am worried though with this monster in the white house)

Anyways...I truly do not care about people's immigration status. It will not get between us. The vast majority of undocumented immigrants are good people and I am sick of the anti-immigrant sentiment that is going around.

If I was a business owner, I would hire people regardless of their immigration status. There I said it!

*rant over*
So why cant they become citizens? You might as well let them all stay at your house too then

How do you have a friend that you cant communicate with properly due to language barrier?

What??
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Old 01-26-2018, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Hudson County NJ
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So why cant they become citizens? You might as well let them all stay at your house too then

How do you have a friend that you cant communicate with properly due to language barrier?

What??
We are working on communication through translation. I guess he doesn't want to apply for citizenship. It takes too long. I don't really care though. Borders will not stop us. I just want him to feel comfortable. I think he'll be safe in NY or NJ because they are sanctuary states but Trump has raised fears all over the world.
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Old 01-26-2018, 10:25 PM
 
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Cool story, bro.

The fact of the matter is that every sovereign nation has the right not only to enforce its borders but to expel people who are illegally residing within them.
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Old 01-27-2018, 01:24 AM
 
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Your friend must be relieved that Obama is no longer in office.
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Old 01-27-2018, 05:33 AM
 
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Feelings have no connection to one's legal status. So one can like anyone no matter what their legal status is in the USA. But anyone planning on being here illegally needs to be aware that they can be deported at time.
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Old 01-27-2018, 06:46 AM
 
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I am extremely socially liberal. I also want things like singlepayer health care, a higher minimum wage, and more taxes so we can have better services. My single conservative area? Immigration. It honestly makes my blood boil when people come here illegally and then demand concessions from our government. The fact that we have sanctuary cities where people who break the law are protected is just really amazing to me. The fact that we are arguing whether or not people who came here illegally as children--and who have been here for decades and had a government-given path to regularize their status but never did--should stay in this country or not is ludicrous to me. If you are here illegally, quite frankly you SHOULD be scared. You broke the law. In any other country you'd be shown the door.

Your friend should be anxious. He is coming here on a visa. A visa means he is not to stay here. You're telling us with a straight face that it's wrong that he is worried about the repercussions of breaking the law?! Well, gee, you don't say! I just cannot imagine the gall.

When I was living in another country (legally! I complied with immigration policies), there was an American couple in my circle of friends. They overstayed their welcome and flaunted it, thinking that "nobody would deport Americans!" Guess what? They got deported and summarily banned from the entire EU and Schengen Area for TEN YEARS. It was glorious!

Why are other countries allowed to enforce their borders and citizenship laws but we're not?!

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We are working on communication through translation. I guess he doesn't want to apply for citizenship. It takes too long. I don't really care though. Borders will not stop us. I just want him to feel comfortable. I think he'll be safe in NY or NJ because they are sanctuary states but Trump has raised fears all over the world.
It's so nice to live in a world where you don't have to follow laws. Maybe I'll stop paying taxes or wearing clothes when I'm outside. Might as well stop paying for groceries when I go food shopping too--it takes too long!
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Old 01-27-2018, 07:24 AM
 
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Must be nice to be so above the law you can not care about it
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Old 01-27-2018, 07:28 AM
 
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My friend from a country in south America got a visa and will be visiting the USA in the next couple of months. He plans on working in construction or some under the books type of job. I'm guessing he does not plan to return to his country but his english isn't the greatest so it is difficult for us to communicate. We do anyways because we love each other and he is going to stay here.

He is a little anxious about being caught without his papers. Trump and anti immigrant people have truly come out to scare people that are in the shadows. It made me angry to think that these types are putting him through fear.

Anyways...I told him that there are a lot of immigrants, legal or not, in the new york metro area and that you should not have to fear deportation. (I truly am worried though with this monster in the white house)

Anyways...I truly do not care about people's immigration status. It will not get between us. The vast majority of undocumented immigrants are good people and I am sick of the anti-immigrant sentiment that is going around.

If I was a business owner, I would hire people regardless of their immigration status. There I said it!

*rant over*
Youre kind of biased. Don't you think?
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Old 01-27-2018, 07:51 AM
 
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I am extremely socially liberal. I also want things like singlepayer health care, a higher minimum wage, and more taxes so we can have better services. My single conservative area? Immigration. It honestly makes my blood boil when people come here illegally and then demand concessions from our government. The fact that we have sanctuary cities where people who break the law are protected is just really amazing to me. The fact that we are arguing whether or not people who came here illegally as children--and who have been here for decades and had a government-given path to regularize their status but never did--should stay in this country or not is ludicrous to me. If you are here illegally, quite frankly you SHOULD be scared. You broke the law. In any other country you'd be shown the door.

Your friend should be anxious. He is coming here on a visa. A visa means he is not to stay here. You're telling us with a straight face that it's wrong that he is worried about the repercussions of breaking the law?! Well, gee, you don't say! I just cannot imagine the gall.

When I was living in another country (legally! I complied with immigration policies), there was an American couple in my circle of friends. They overstayed their welcome and flaunted it, thinking that "nobody would deport Americans!" Guess what? They got deported and summarily banned from the entire EU and Schengen Area for TEN YEARS. It was glorious!

Why are other countries allowed to enforce their borders and citizenship laws but we're not?!



It's so nice to live in a world where you don't have to follow laws. Maybe I'll stop paying taxes or wearing clothes when I'm outside. Might as well stop paying for groceries when I go food shopping too--it takes too long!
Very good point.

The fact that people came here illegally and not scare, is just absurd. You know you might get deported if you don't have legal status in the country. Regardless if you committed any crime or not, being here illegally without legal documentation is an act of crime (of course, there are circumstances, but I am not referring to those exceptional circumstances). I am not against those immigrants without proper documents who never committed any crime since they got here, but they should definitely be worry about getting caught and deported.

If people came here illegally and simply get the right to become a citizens, I might as well committ some crime in the first place, such as stealing, and when I am caught, I will just tell them I am sorry and I will change.

I don't have a problem outsiders come to the country and try to set up a family, but they have to pay their due, such as paying taxes and be a law abiding citizens. Just because some of you came from a different background, it doesn't justify any kind of crime being committed in this country.
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