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Old 01-31-2018, 11:21 AM
 
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Border Walls are not very effective. They might prevent illegal narcotics from coming into the U.S., but if someone wants to come here, there are easier ways to get around the wall.

Many illegals fly into a major metro airport, overstay their visas and disappear into our communities.
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Old 01-31-2018, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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Border Walls are not very effective. They might prevent illegal narcotics from coming into the U.S., but if someone wants to come here, there are easier ways to get around the wall.

Many illegals fly into a major metro airport, overstay their visas and disappear into our communities.
Many narcotics come in via boats and planes. Walls will not stop them.
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Old 01-31-2018, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Build two fences with a minefield between them.
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Old 01-31-2018, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas/SF Peninsula/South Lake Tahoe
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Many narcotics come in via boats and planes. Walls will not stop them.

Those concerns and remedies are probably being addressed, as well.
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Old 01-31-2018, 12:52 PM
 
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A big chunk of the illegals crossing now are Central Americans. And things are not getting better there. And it has nothing to do with what political party is in charge here. A big reason the Mexican government does not want a wall is because they want these Central Americans to keep moving north and not get stuck on the Mexican side of the US border.
I agree.
I also think the big increase in crossings that's been happening lately probably is from them sensing something will definitely happen soon regarding our immigration laws.
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Old 01-31-2018, 01:30 PM
 
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Border Walls are not very effective. They might prevent illegal narcotics from coming into the U.S., but if someone wants to come here, there are easier ways to get around the wall.

Many illegals fly into a major metro airport, overstay their visas and disappear into our communities.

Once again, the good walls do work. Do I need to post links again proving it? No one is illegal that flies in here they only become so if they over stay their visas. There are still thousands crossing our border illegally every year and as for visa over stayers that is a different problem that requires a different approach.
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Old 01-31-2018, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Western North Carolina
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Really, strictly enforcing our immigration laws worked for decades - without a wall. Lax enforcement, and turning a blind eye are what have brought us to this point.
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Old 01-31-2018, 05:46 PM
 
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Really, strictly enforcing our immigration laws worked for decades - without a wall. Lax enforcement, and turning a blind eye are what have brought us to this point.
Yup, a wall will only be a bandaid on a symptom, not treating the cause.
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Old 01-31-2018, 07:02 PM
 
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Right now, despite trump's racial rants, the MXN government continues to monitor its southern border to keep Central Americans from getting (ultimately) to the US.

If trump starts building his wall, MX will open those floodgates of Central America and aid and abet them in getting into the US.
There are already a lot of central americans on the Mexican side of the frontera. They are stuck there without any way to cross the border. As there are a lot of people from southern Mexico.

They only way they will make it into the us is with a coyote. They can't cross at the border crossing and going it alone won't work. Letting the floodgates open could backfire for Mexico. I don't see it.

So that is your reason to not build the wall?
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Old 01-31-2018, 07:07 PM
 
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Really, strictly enforcing our immigration laws worked for decades - without a wall. Lax enforcement, and turning a blind eye are what have brought us to this point.
Have you ever visited or lived near the southern border? There has been an increased effort in enforcement over the decades. They did not decide a few years ago to turn a blind eye to the border. That is ridiculous.

You have border patrol, secondary checkpoints, drones and all sorts of technology. Mexicans tell me all the time that the last few years border security has never been stronger.

Whatever they are not doing in Washington has nothing to do with the real world.

However it needs to improve. A wall would be that needed improvement. There are still huge gaps in security that allow too many people and too much contraband to cross.
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