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Old 02-10-2018, 09:49 AM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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This is one of the reasons I oppose legalizing those who fall under DACA. I watch Washington Journal on C-cpan and a couple weeks ago one of their hosts, Greta Brawner, read a piece from one of the newspapers she had in front of her. The article detailed how many 'Dreamers' and their family members would be allowed to stay. Dreamers themselves totalled over 3 million (believe it was 3.8 million), the parents and other family members would put the total to around 9-10 million if not more. For the Democrats to get on board with any legislation they are going to insist on not breaking up families before they'll vote for it.

Another thing that concerns me is the number of people who will fraudulently claim Dreamer status. Many didn't sign up for it when Obama created his illegal executive order, but will once there's a bill that gets signed into law. Our government has refused to go after illegals working here illegally, yet we are supposed to believe they'll give a darn about the ones who will claim Dreamer status fraudulently?

Not to mention, by the time everything is in place, and we have enough judges in place to start processing cases to deport illegals, Democrats will likely control either the Senate or House, and possibly the White House, If and when they do regain full control we know they'll just grant amnesty to all illegals, and make them citizens with voting rights immediately. Some states that are giving illegals driver's licenses have said they'll allow them to vote. At least in one state anyway, probably California. As if it isn't bad enough they are counted when determining how many electoral votes each state gets, which is absolutely absurd and should be corrected. It could very well swing the next presidential election benefitting the Democrats.

Obama has played Republicans who can't get out of their own way, including the president. His executive order was illegal, but what he did was classify a group of illegals as those we should care the most about because they want us to believe they were all innocent little babies when they were brought here. Republicans have allowed the label to stick, rather than classifying all illegals as a group, as it should be. We have to ask ourselves why, especially those who vote Republican most of the time. Big business wants the cheapest labor, and the biggest pool to chose from as possible. Big business also gives a lot of money in campaign donations, something Senators spend 35 hours/week, according to 60 Minutes, making phone calls to solicit.


Lyin' Don will give many of them a pathway to citizenship, something he promised not to do during the campaign.
I hear Maryland is the same way. If someone lives in the state they can get a license, then with a license they can register to vote. Even if their ID is not eligible for federal purposes (liberals will want to change this too) they still vote in state and local elections.
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Old 02-10-2018, 09:51 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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You think babies, toddlers, and young children brought here by their parents should be jailed or removed?

Trumpism is a mental disorder.
The average age is 24 and it's people that have sat on their hands this entire time rather than work on being here legally. But DO IT FOR THE BABIES
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Old 02-10-2018, 09:54 AM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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Chain migration and chain amnesty can easily multiply.

So let's say one Dreamer gets citizen or one person from Syria gets picked in a lottery.

So he sponsors his wife and 3 brothers. Then his wife subsequently sponsors her parents and sibling. The 3 brothers each sponsor their spouses and these spouses also have siblings and in-laws. You see? Not too far to illustrate. And yes, Latin America IS a s____hole, and the vast majority of people there WILL jump at any chance to come to America.
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Old 02-10-2018, 10:23 AM
 
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This thread has the same old tired right wing myths.

Hispanic foreign born population is increasing at less than 150,000 per year. The growth of the Hispanic population is mostly births of US citizen children. Chain immigration by Hispanics is simply a right wing straw man. In the case of the Dreamers it is likely most parents and siblings are already in the states with many US citizens.

The overall practicality is that we have no intention of deporting the illegals. Cost too much. Take too long. No place near enough support. And by delaying the action we continue to maintain a disadvantaged class with impact on salary and living conditions.

So when we look at what is really preventing the solution of the illegal immigration problem we find the right wing antis...
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Old 02-10-2018, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Kansas/China
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You said in your comment supporting 2 parents and 2 siblings, thatís what itíd take to sponsor them financially.
No itís not. It specifically exempts parents and siblings, and non-dependent children. Those 4 people can be dependent children and a spouse. The 4 people includes the sponsor as well.

Income Requirements to Sponsor an Immigrant - Affidavit of Support - AllLaw.com
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Old 02-10-2018, 10:35 AM
 
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No itís not. It specifically exempts parents and siblings, and non-dependent children. Those 4 people can be dependent children and a spouse. The 4 people includes the sponsor as well.

Income Requirements to Sponsor an Immigrant - Affidavit of Support - AllLaw.com
Where does it say that in the link that you provided?
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Old 02-10-2018, 10:48 AM
 
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First of all chain migration absolutely positive does not allow an entire wave to come here following one person in the lottery.

WRONG.

And your conclusion that the same effect MAY happen -- isn't enough to shut down DACA.

It doesn't work that way.
Family Reunification is the real name of the program not chain migration. A legal resident of the USA can apply for parents or siblings to get temporary status in the USA. Immigration has to review the application. They can deny whoever they want at any time -- there is no direct path -- automatic entrance -- no collect your status and go card. It doesn't happen that way.

For that matter -- any time you enter the country, even with legal status, Immigration can deny you entry -- they have that authority at the border. Sure if it turns out there is no real good reason or legal binding reason to deny entry they have to let you in -- but in the moment you are at the border green card or not -- even with an American passport -- the agent at the border has the absolute power to deny entry.

All that has to happen is that immigration has to follow the procedures in place, review the application for criteria set by the govt....jobs, financial solvency, etc....and of course no crminal record or ties to gangs or terrorists.

That all can be implemented and we have the tools to do it.
The real name of the game is invasion of the US and demographic changing. I'm not stupid.
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Old 02-10-2018, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Kansas/China
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Where does it say that in the link that you provided?
Paragraphs 1-4. I previously said it only counted the sponsor and his immigrating spouse and children, actually, it also includes anyone who already lives in the household as well. That does include a parent or sibling, but it canít be used for their immigration process or for any other parent or siblings immigration process.

I believe this is the link you tried to give here. It clearly states itís only for spouse or child (when the USCIS uses the term child they mean a dependent, not a married or 18+ sons or daughter)

https://www.uscis.gov/system/files_f...pdf?download=1

Iíve gone through this process and know a thing or two about it, but one thing I didnít know was that assets such as a house can be used, roughly at 20-33% value towards income requirements. I never had to consider that and didnít realize it was an option.
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Old 02-10-2018, 11:26 AM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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This thread has the same old tired right wing myths.

Hispanic foreign born population is increasing at less than 150,000 per year. The growth of the Hispanic population is mostly births of US citizen children. Chain immigration by Hispanics is simply a right wing straw man. In the case of the Dreamers it is likely most parents and siblings are already in the states with many US citizens.

The overall practicality is that we have no intention of deporting the illegals. Cost too much. Take too long. No place near enough support. And by delaying the action we continue to maintain a disadvantaged class with impact on salary and living conditions.

So when we look at what is really preventing the solution of the illegal immigration problem we find the right wing antis...
So not only should "children not be punished for the crimes of their parents". These parents themsleves should be rewarded for their own crimes? Thus the liberal mindset whose real belief is that ALL illegals not just Dreamers deserve amnesty and citizenship.
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Old 02-10-2018, 11:30 AM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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And its patently false that these Dreamers have no connection to Mexico and other countries. Most of their parents hardly speak English and they speak Spanish natively since if they were born in Mexico that would be the first language they learn before their parents illegally bring them here.

Many also grow up in the Mexican culture rather than the American culture. The vast majority of the Dreamers you see on TV (and they obviously try to find the most "presentable" ones) speak with pronounced Mexican accents and don't sound American to me, they don't seem very assimilated. Culturally they are more Mexican than American and growing up surrounded by Mexican culture they would trasition seemlessly if they were to move to Mexico. They only want to stay here for economic benefits. And if they are so loyal to Mexico and proud to be Mexican they should go back and better their own country.
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