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Old 02-10-2018, 02:27 PM
 
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Not that it matters, but I believe they should kill the DACA program. The "dreamers" and their family members should all go home and apply for legal entry if they want to. I just don't get all the emotion that this topic generates. Read the law, enforce the law. Simple. As Aristotle said, "The law is reason free from passion."
Would have been perfectly feasible in 1990. We did not do it. Now it would take a decade or more and cost billions and billions and at the end we would have a huge Federal bureaucracy with no rational use.

And it completely lacks the needed support to even make the existing system secure and able to deal with employment and visas overstays
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Old 02-10-2018, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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This whole DACA mess will lead to even more people coming into the country. If not for Trump and some Republicans there is no doubt in my mind that they would be voting right now about granting these people amnesty.


The whole immigration tangle is similar to the Dems desire for gun control. If the gun people give an inch they gun grabbers will take a mile. If amnesty and a path to citizenship is granted to the DACA people then their parents will also be given amnesty then their siblings, grandparents extended family and there we go adding millions of people to our society.
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Old 02-10-2018, 02:46 PM
 
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This whole DACA mess will lead to even more people coming into the country. If not for Trump and some Republicans there is no doubt in my mind that they would be voting right now about granting these people amnesty.


The whole immigration tangle is similar to the Dems desire for gun control. If the gun people give an inch they gun grabbers will take a mile. If amnesty and a path to citizenship is granted to the DACA people then their parents will also be given amnesty then their siblings, grandparents extended family and there we go adding millions of people to our society.

Glad to see that you can see the hand writing on the wall also and it's not pretty.
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Old 02-10-2018, 02:49 PM
 
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This whole DACA mess will lead to even more people coming into the country. If not for Trump and some Republicans there is no doubt in my mind that they would be voting right now about granting these people amnesty.


The whole immigration tangle is similar to the Dems desire for gun control. If the gun people give an inch they gun grabbers will take a mile. If amnesty and a path to citizenship is granted to the DACA people then their parents will also be given amnesty then their siblings, grandparents extended family and there we go adding millions of people to our society.
Nope. Very little immigration pressure from Mexico at this point. That is shown by the very slow growth in Hispanic immigration over the past 5 years. And that was true before Trump. And the DACA people would be even less likely to create a problem as their siblings and parents tend to be here and citizen siblings already exist for many.

And of course we should be voting now for legalization. It is actually inevitable so it would be better early so we can get the whole immigration system under control.
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Old 02-12-2018, 06:07 AM
 
Location: Where the sun always shines
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Nope. Very little immigration pressure from Mexico at this point. That is shown by the very slow growth in Hispanic immigration over the past 5 years. And that was true before Trump. And the DACA people would be even less likely to create a problem as their siblings and parents tend to be here and citizen siblings already exist for many.

And of course we should be voting now for legalization. It is actually inevitable so it would be better early so we can get the whole immigration system under control.
You're one of those people that needs to go live in East LA or Pacoima for a year and tell me how much you badly want to authorize illegal aliens
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Old 02-12-2018, 07:23 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I would no more vote for someone here illegally to stay than I would allow a transient family to live in a spare room because "Well, they're here, just unlock the doors or we'll keep breaking it down.
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Old 02-12-2018, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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The key word in the OP's title is "fear". The entire neo-fascist movement is based on fear, and it works - because fear is a powerful motivator. It makes people do irrational things and jump to irrational conclusions; fear of immigrants, fear of Muslims, fear of "liberals", fear of the Jews, fear of science, and on and on. They have used this method forever to rile the proles, they are not going to stop anytime soon.
There is no fear other than that of having an open border with people pouring in, justified, and a function of the federal government is to keep our borders secure.

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I think DACAs who are here illegally SHOULD be given a pathway to citizenship. That seems right. BUT NO FAMILIES AT ALL. No sponsoring, no linking, no chaining, no expansion. You GOT the benefit, you GOT the citizenship, you can start your life. But you do it ALONE. Don't try to bring anyone else here. If you want to see your family, get on a plane. If your family wants to come here, apply for citizenship. NO SPONSORING AT ALL.
No pathway to citizenship, none. The DACA have been whining about their parents as they want to keep them here to keep the family together. Read the articles on line. This destroys the theory about it not being the children's fault they have crappy parents that broke our laws, the children DACA want to be with those parents, send them all home. The GOP plans that I have seen block chain migration for siblings and parents, and would allow only for spouse and children, the Dems will not have that.

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Not ok with DACA. Lawbreakers need to be jailed or removed.
To keep it fair, yes, you are correct. Some are already jailed and removed from the DACA program having committed and been convicted of crimes. They all need to go home. It is unfortunate they were made a new class of illegal aliens, but they milked our system and got a lot out of it while the children with parents waiting to immigrate ended up with nothing. We can't reward the children of law breakers while children waiting in line with their parents ended up without all the benefits the children of law breakers got.

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You think babies, toddlers, and young children brought here by their parents should be jailed or removed?

Trumpism is a mental disorder.
The youngest DACA is 15 years of age. They came with their illegal alien parents and should be removed with their illegal alien parents to keep their families together. They want to keep the illegal alien parents here with them, and the aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents............. Send them all home and be done with it.

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The average age is 24 and it's people that have sat on their hands this entire time rather than work on being here legally. But DO IT FOR THE BABIES
And, you expect these people to take personal responsibility for their situation? Yeah, that doesn't happen anymore.

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The real name of the game is invasion of the US and demographic changing. I'm not stupid.
Colonization.

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So not only should "children not be punished for the crimes of their parents". These parents themsleves should be rewarded for their own crimes? Thus the liberal mindset whose real belief is that ALL illegals not just Dreamers deserve amnesty and citizenship.
But, of course! I knew DACA was no more than a "foot in the door" for every last illegal alien relative. Let us not forget that many DACA now have anchor babies in place.

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Wanting our immigration laws respected and enforced and opposing illegal immigration has nothing to do with fear but common sense and our laws. We don't oppose legal immigration in reasonable numbers. This forum is about illegal immigration though not legal immigration.
It is about the law and enforcing it. We enforce our laws against citizens, so why should we not enforce it against foreign invaders. Legal immigrants have strict rules they must follow in order to remain here, illegals are trying to run the whole "show" here now. Send them home, every last one with anchor babes in tow.

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Not that it matters, but I believe they should kill the DACA program. The "dreamers" and their family members should all go home and apply for legal entry if they want to. I just don't get all the emotion that this topic generates. Read the law, enforce the law. Simple. As Aristotle said, "The law is reason free from passion."
You are correct. Per the law. Sending them all home is the only way to clean up the mess and start clean again.
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Old 02-12-2018, 08:25 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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The administration has some pretty good clout right now. No wall no DACA and if that were to happen they can simply dissolve the program and ICE can get to work.
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Old 02-12-2018, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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The administration has some pretty good clout right now. No wall no DACA and if that were to happen they can simply dissolve the program and ICE can get to work.
The administration MUST HOLD onto the "no wall, no DACA" or we will lose it all. The GOP plans include restrictions on chain migration that the Dems won't buy either. The Dems really look like horses butts in the current scenario, should work them in 2018 midterms and 2020 election.

This open border is a big push in globalization, taking away everything we are as a people and a country. It has to end in order to save our country.

DACA is the "foot in the door". I think as more people see this, they become less sympathetic to DACA and see that it is best they all just go as they came, together.
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Old 02-18-2018, 01:53 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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THe concerns people have raised here are all valid. If these kids aren't responsible for their parents bringing them here then ok, but most liberals and Democrats also believe these PARENTS should also be allowed to get citizenship as to "not break up families". In fact many liberals believe illegals should ALL be legalized.
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