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Old 02-25-2018, 08:46 AM
 
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You are arguing for DACA, the GOP is willing to accept DACA, the issue is in return Democrats arent willing to fund the wall nor are they willing to reform Our legal immigration system and handling of illegal immigration. That is the issue, both parties are fine with DACA, the problem is wanting to have a merit based system along with funding for the border wall.

 
Old 02-25-2018, 08:55 AM
 
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You are arguing for DACA, the GOP is willing to accept DACA, the issue is in return Democrats arent willing to fund the wall nor are they willing to reform Our legal immigration system and handling of illegal immigration. That is the issue, both parties are fine with DACA, the problem is wanting to have a merit based system along with funding for the border wall.
No. The problem is having a completely mentally disordered moron in the White House.
 
Old 02-25-2018, 09:39 AM
 
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No. The problem is having a completely mentally disordered moron in the White House.
Very intelligent contribution to the conversation!
 
Old 02-25-2018, 10:40 AM
 
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This thread sucks, it’s always the same people arguing the same crap. The leftist will be left, and the right will be right.

At the end of the day, illegals are illegal & criminal no matter how you look at it. Even if they’re good people (and a lot are) they’re still criminals by the textbook of the current law.
 
Old 02-25-2018, 10:40 AM
 
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KRON announced it in Spanish too.

https://www.facebook.com/KRON4/video...5634066142098/

Gawd I love the Bay Area.
 
Old 02-25-2018, 11:55 AM
 
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Very intelligent contribution to the conversation!
Yep. Spot on, wasn't it. And over 2/3rd's of Americans agree.
 
Old 02-25-2018, 12:14 PM
 
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Yep. Spot on, wasn't it. And over 2/3rd's of Americans agree.
We will see during the midterms, my guess itís more fake news and polls like before, but maybe Iím wrong
 
Old 02-25-2018, 01:31 PM
 
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It has nothing to do with "taking jobs away" it has everything to do with being illegally in the country. It's no different than me being like... "Um I think I will move to Denmark today" ...yeah sorry, the world doesn't work like that including our country.
What? Now it's not about jobs? That's new.

Okay, what specifically is it that illegal immigrants do that affects you, personally? And don't just say that it's just because they are illegal. That's a cop-out response. It's illegal to drive over the speed limit, too, and I bet you do that on occasion without hurting anyone. So, this is not just about everyone always following the laws in the U.S.
 
Old 02-25-2018, 01:33 PM
 
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The illegals should be rounded up with the militia. If some eggs get cracked...just too goddarn bad. Free up ICE and let the militia do its work.
 
Old 02-25-2018, 01:56 PM
 
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What? Now it's not about jobs? That's new.

Okay, what specifically is it that illegal immigrants do that affects you, personally? And don't just say that it's just because they are illegal. That's a cop-out response. It's illegal to drive over the speed limit, too, and I bet you do that on occasion without hurting anyone. So, this is not just about everyone always following the laws in the U.S.


There is nothing directly effecting me regarding illegals. However, I do have friends and family who have gone through the immigration process, are going through the process as we speak and those who want to, but don't qualify.

It's about a few things for me:

1) Fairness, even Obama mentioned, it is not fair for people to essentially skip the line and fees and bypass the burdensome system that takes sometimes an entire decade on top of mountains of paper work, thousands of dollars in lawyer fees etc. It simple is not fair to them. It's also not fair to those who want to move here, but don't qualify for any specific visa, they don't have criminal records, they are college educated, yet they cannot come, I have many friends in the Philippines who would love to move here and they do have bachelor degrees. On a personal level, this is my number one reason I'm against illegal immigration and especially providing them in-state benefits.

2) Security, when you travel to other countries you are inspected, when you relocate to another country, it's a whole other level of verification on who you are, why you are here, what is your history etc. If we just say, "hey if you sneak into the country, you're home free" it raises major security concerns.

3) Law, we are a country of laws like all other developed countries. We have these laws to keep us safe, strong and prosperous.

4) Distractions, having illegal immigration always in our headwinds makes it so we don't deal with the real problem, our legal immigration system, which as mentioned easily takes a decade in many scenarios with people switching lawyers 3x paying thousands in fees and getting the ring around. We should focus on how to make our immigration system for efficient, but illegal immigration is eating up all our resources to do this.
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