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Old 03-11-2018, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Great article by Doug McIntyre regarding California’s sanctuary state law .

Hopefully one day we can have a California run by politicians that respect our laws . A California that doesn’t shield criminals . That’s not asking for too much is it ?


The Golden State has gone rogue, having taken the radical step of passing SB 54, designating California an official sanctuary state for immigrants living in the country illegally. With an estimated 2.3 million illegal immigrants California has, by far, the largest undocumented population in the country. By signing SB 54, Gov. Jerry Brown codified what he once denied, that California doesn’t care how you get here, once you’re here, you’re here. He also doesn’t care that SB 54 has opened a legal Pandora’s box, in effect, nullifying the Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution.


California has gone so far beyond the buoy we now find ourselves shielding illegal immigrants who have been convicted of serious, even violent, felonies unrelated to their immigration status. SB 54 not only prohibits California’s jails and prisons from cooperating with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the law makes it a crime for business owners to cooperate with the Feds, subjecting the law-abiding to $10,000 fines!

The United States accepts 1.1 million legal immigrants every year. We are, by far, the most welcoming people on earth. We are also a nation of laws. If California doesn’t like our immigration policies we can fight to change them, but we don’t get a veto over the other 49 states.

What California is doing is fundamentally un-American.


https://www.dailynews.com/2018/03/11...we-protecting/
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Old 03-12-2018, 09:02 AM
 
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I'm not friends with any illegals, nor do I employ any, so I don't have much of a dog in this fight. However, I do deal with illegals every day. I don't want my city, county, or country resources wasted persecuting these people who work twice as hard for half the pay, just becaue they committed the civil (not criminal) offense of crossing the border.

Let's focus on dealing with the vagrant trash that all the other states ship to us. I see a lot of young, able-bodied, white faces behind those signs begging for money or rolling stolen bikes down the street. I presume they're not illegals from Latvia. Let's deport those a-holes and keep the ones who are willing to work for their living, instead of robbing good citizens (and non-citizens) blind for their next fix.
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Old 03-12-2018, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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I'm not friends with any illegals, nor do I employ any, so I don't have much of a dog in this fight. However, I do deal with illegals every day. I don't want my city, county, or country resources wasted persecuting these people who work twice as hard for half the pay, just becaue they committed the civil (not criminal) offense of crossing the border.

Let's focus on dealing with the vagrant trash that all the other states ship to us. I see a lot of young, able-bodied, white faces behind those signs begging for money or rolling stolen bikes down the street. I presume they're not illegals from Latvia. Let's deport those a-holes and keep the ones who are willing to work for their living, instead of robbing good citizens (and non-citizens) blind for their next fix.
ICE has been focusing on illegals here that have committed crimes. Which is what the article is talking about .
The politicians in these sanctuary cities know this but want to protect the criminals .

I agree on the homeless . They commit crime at high levels . There was a recent LAPD report that 6,400 homeless were arrested for felonies . Thatís a very high number . There were many more arrests for misdemeanors .
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Old 03-12-2018, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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i'm not friends with any illegals, nor do i employ any, so i don't have much of a dog in this fight. However, i do deal with illegals every day. I don't want my city, county, or country resources wasted persecuting these people who work twice as hard for half the pay, just becaue they committed the civil (not criminal) offense of crossing the border.

Let's focus on dealing with the vagrant trash that all the other states ship to us. I see a lot of young, able-bodied, white faces behind those signs begging for money or rolling stolen bikes down the street. I presume they're not illegals from latvia. Let's deport those a-holes and keep the ones who are willing to work for their living, instead of robbing good citizens (and non-citizens) blind for their next fix.
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Old 03-12-2018, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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ICE has been focusing on illegals here that have committed crimes. Which is what the article is talking about .
ICE is lying and your article is misinformed.

Since Trump took office, felon deportations have only gone up 4% while deportatees with no criminal record have gone up 330%. That's according to CBS News.
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Old 03-12-2018, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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ICE is lying and your article is misinformed.

Since Trump took office, felon deportations have only gone up 4% while deportatees with no criminal record have gone up 330%. That's according to CBS News.
The problem with sanctuary city policies is the criminals get released back into the community making it a dangerous situation for all . If the local cities just worked with ICE we wouldnít be having these issues of the ones that are just here illegally getting arrested .

But remember at the end of the day they donít have any right to be here either . Immigration law is decided by the federal government, not local governments.
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Old 03-12-2018, 09:55 AM
 
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The problem with sanctuary city policies is the criminals get released back into the community making it a dangerous situation for all.
No that's fearmongering. Crime is down overall across the country for the most part. You cant hold up a few high profile incidents as emblematic of the nation as a whole.

Deport the felons-no one is against that.

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But remember at the end of the day they donít have any right to be here either . Immigration law is decided by the federal government, not local governments.
Yes so the fed drags its feet and then after local jurisdictions deal with the issue the fed now wants to step in and start mass deporting?

Sorry, not happening. There's a reason why Trump hasnt simply deployed troops to mass snatch all undocumented persons and deport them immediately.

If it could be that way, it would already have been done, but Trump knows most Americans would not stand for it. We are not heartless asssholes like he and his most xenophobic supporters are.
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Old 03-12-2018, 09:59 AM
 
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No that's fearmongering. Crime is down overall across the country for the most part. You cant hold up a few high profile incidents as emblematic of the nation as a whole.

Deport the felons-no one is against that.



Yes so the fed drags its feet and then after local jurisdictions deal with the issue the fed now wants to step in and start mass deporting?

Sorry, not happening. There's a reason why Trump hasnt simply deployed troops to mass snatch all undocumented persons and deport them immediately.

If it could be that way, it would already have been done, but Trump knows most Americans would not stand for it. We are not heartless asssholes like he and his most xenophobic supporters are.
So you think the Mayor of Oakland was right to alert hundreds of criminals about the ICE raid ?

Crime being down from the 90s or whenever is irrelevant . We canít just sit on our laurels and say crime isnít that bad . There is plenty of crime still . I guess itís ok as long as you arenít the victim right ?
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Old 03-12-2018, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Sylmar, a part of Los Angeles
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McIntire is on 790 AM each morning. The large amount of illegals here also are some of the reason for the huge amount of homeless. The very poor competing with the desperately poor for what little housing there is.
Giving illegals drivers licence also says to them Come on in.
Democrats see illegals as making sure they will stay in power forever, maybe they don't vote Yet but all their friends and relatives do.
The first thing in a long time that will help is the federal Dept.of Justice sueing Calif. over three laws Calif. passed protecting illegals which nullifies the Supremacy Clause of the constitution. Calif. will lose but the Democrats know that they can tie it up in the courts for years.
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Old 03-12-2018, 10:47 AM
 
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So you think the Mayor of Oakland was right to alert hundreds of criminals about the ICE raid ?
Hundreds of criminals? Doubtful it was that many as they already admitted that half the people rounded up have no criminal record.

And Mayor Schaaf broke no laws.

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Crime being down from the 90s or whenever is irrelevant . We canít just sit on our laurels and say crime isnít that bad . There is plenty of crime still . I guess itís ok as long as you arenít the victim right ?
Oh cut the hysteria. I live in Oakland and dont fear for my life. At all.
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