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Old 03-28-2018, 06:34 PM
 
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Fair enough, I thought my reply answered the question, but here it goes again. Due process is part of the Constitution. All persons within the borders or territories of the US are protected by the Constitution regardless of citizenship status.

My personal opinion doesn't matter because the issue has already been decided. The Constitution can be amended and if people are that unhappy with birthright citizenship they should contact their Fed reps and senators and organize a Constitutional convention. We only need 38 of the 50 states to vote yes on an amendment, that should be easy.

Wasting time on something that has already been decided doesn't make any sense.

I did not read the original article, but I do think the senator from OK doesn't understand "catch and release" vs due process. The "catch and release" illegals are not getting due process of any kind.

Illegal aliens do not have the same rights as citizens and the Constitution does not grant them that. Ever heard of the term "We the people"? Who do you they were talking about? So when the word persons or people are referred to in the Constitution it's referring to U.S. citizens only. The only thing that has been decided is to ignore the writer's of the Constitution wording and the true meaning of those words.
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Old 03-29-2018, 06:03 AM
 
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But why wasn't this in place decades ago?
You could ask that about a lot of things Trump is doing as President.
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Old 03-29-2018, 10:26 AM
 
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You could ask that about a lot of things Trump is doing as President.


Trump wasn't president "decades ago".
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Old 03-29-2018, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Illegal aliens do not have the same rights as citizens and the Constitution does not grant them that. Ever heard of the term "We the people"? Who do you they were talking about? So when the word persons or people are referred to in the Constitution it's referring to U.S. citizens only. The only thing that has been decided is to ignore the writer's of the Constitution wording and the true meaning of those words.
That's completely wrong. The only thing the Constitution reserves for citizens is to hold elective office and vote. If non citizens within the US and its territories weren't protected by the Constitution we could just go straight to execution for any and all crimes by non citizens. (without a jury trial too)

So the next time an illegal gets accused of murder and goes straight to jail and/or execution without a trial come back here and let us know.
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Old 03-29-2018, 12:27 PM
 
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That's completely wrong. The only thing the Constitution reserves for citizens is to hold elective office and vote. If non citizens within the US and its territories weren't protected by the Constitution we could just go straight to execution for any and all crimes by non citizens. (without a jury trial too)

So the next time an illegal gets accused of murder and goes straight to jail and/or execution without a trial come back here and let us know.
Just a small note. The Constitution also notes that a citizen can't be deported. In part it's another reason why illegals get their day in court.
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Old 03-29-2018, 12:38 PM
 
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Illegal aliens do not have the same rights as citizens and the Constitution does not grant them that. Ever heard of the term "We the people"? Who do you they were talking about? So when the word persons or people are referred to in the Constitution it's referring to U.S. citizens only. The only thing that has been decided is to ignore the writer's of the Constitution wording and the true meaning of those words.
Wrong. Residents have some of the same constitutional rights as well such as the right to bear arms. Many of the constitutional right are indeed held by those here illegally
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Old 03-29-2018, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Just a small note. The Constitution also notes that a citizen can't be deported. In part it's another reason why illegals get their day in court.
That doesn't sound correct. Without looking it up I think the Constitution states a citizen can not be deported except in cases of treason. Illegals are not citizens, so this wouldn't apply to them.

If non citizens don't have protection under the Constitution then the next time a non citizen gets a speeding ticket we can go straight to execution. When that happens let me know.

Instead of arguing here you guys should be contacting your Fed reps and senators to amend the Constitution. I don't have an issue with that. I'm just stating the facts.

You guys can come up with a cool marking acronym like K.I.C.K.o (kick illegal citizen kommies out) and I'm sure you'll go places.

Also, when people here and our President show the same zeal for tracking down and deporting all the Canadian, South Korean, and Filipino visa over stayers let me know. Those groups should be easier to track down because they already have visas and are known to the Govt.

Most of the illegals are invisible.
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Old 03-29-2018, 01:24 PM
 
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That doesn't sound correct. Without looking it up I think the Constitution states a citizen can not be deported except in cases of treason. Illegals are not citizens, so this wouldn't apply to them.

If non citizens don't have protection under the Constitution then the next time a non citizen gets a speeding ticket we can go straight to execution. When that happens let me know.

Instead of arguing here you guys should be contacting your Fed reps and senators to amend the Constitution. I don't have an issue with that. I'm just stating the facts.

You guys can come up with a cool marking acronym like K.I.C.K.o (kick illegal citizen kommies out) and I'm sure you'll go places.

Also, when people here and our President show the same zeal for tracking down and deporting all the Canadian, South Korean, and Filipino visa over stayers let me know. Those groups should be easier to track down because they already have visas and are known to the Govt.

Most of the illegals are invisible.
Canadians donít require a visa to come in
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Old 03-29-2018, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Canadians don’t require a visa to come in

Perhaps, but if they work in the US they would need some type of work permit. I worked with Canadians before and they told me their work permits expired (I assumed they meant visas) and I asked them what happens now ? They didn't have a clue, but I suppose its the companies responsibility to maintain those work permits / visas.

I;m not talking about visitors. People who enter the US on work visas or student visa but fail to return to their home countries. These people should be easy to track down since they are already known to the Govt. They most likely have been finger printed too, either at the point of entry or as part of the visa application.

My wife is a permanent resident and she has to have her prints scanned every time she enters the US. Could be different procedure at US / Canadian land borders I don't know. Never crossed a land border.
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Old 03-29-2018, 03:01 PM
 
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That doesn't sound correct. Without looking it up I think the Constitution states a citizen can not be deported except in cases of treason. Illegals are not citizens, so this wouldn't apply to them.
Citizens can not be deported under any circumstances. No, that does NOT apply to non citizens BUT they have to get their day in court to ensure the person in question is not a citizen.

A non citizen here legally can be deported also.

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If non citizens don't have protection under the Constitution then the next time a non citizen gets a speeding ticket we can go straight to execution. When that happens let me know.

Instead of arguing here you guys should be contacting your Fed reps and senators to amend the Constitution. I don't have an issue with that. I'm just stating the facts.

You guys can come up with a cool marking acronym like K.I.C.K.o (kick illegal citizen kommies out) and I'm sure you'll go places.

Also, when people here and our President show the same zeal for tracking down and deporting all the Canadian, South Korean, and Filipino visa over stayers let me know. Those groups should be easier to track down because they already have visas and are known to the Govt.

Most of the illegals are invisible.
I didn't disagree that those here illegally don't get most protections. I simply noted one exemption. I don't know the reason for the rest of your post.
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