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Old 04-02-2018, 06:56 PM
 
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What freebies are you referring to?
You do know that even Mexico has universal healthcare right? Its just us in the US that dont.

 
Old 04-02-2018, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Just retirees? No Americans go on vacation to Mexico? Of course not, right? lol Cancun? See the Mayan Ruins? My husband in the past went to do IT work in Mexico City for a consulting firm. 20 years ago my daughter went to play against a soccer team there.

Will Americans be banned from going there too? Go there and you can STAY there?????
Did you read the post I was referring to? That person posted links specifically about American retirees staying illegally in Mexico. What does vacation have to do with anything? This is the illegal immigration forum, not the travel forum.
 
Old 04-02-2018, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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You do know that even Mexico has universal healthcare right? Its just us in the US that dont.
For foreign nationals living there illegally?

Also, this thread is about the caravan of Central Americans marching through Mexico to reach the US. Try to stay on topic.
 
Old 04-02-2018, 07:21 PM
 
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Walls do not go on or even very near the real border. You need access to both sides of the wall to maintain it. If you put it on the border the other country can simply build steps to get to the top. Or digs a deep trench and lets the wall fall over the first big wind.

And the refugees simply walk up to the Border Patrol station which is always on American territory for a land crossing.

Face it there is no way to avoid a refugee claiming asylum if they can reach an American border.
I live in Northern New England and so am not familiar with the Mexican border. Based on what you say, rather than catch and release, they should be detained until their hearing comes up then. Meanwhile any US employer, including suburban housewives hiring cleaning ladies, should face jail time for hiring illegals. If they can't earn a living here they will leave. If employers faced jail time, they won't hire them.
 
Old 04-02-2018, 07:45 PM
 
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What freebies are you referring to? Your articles didn't give any numbers about American retirees collecting cash welfare, housing assistance, or food stamps from Mexico. Are Mexican towns slowly becoming bilingual, with Mexicans disqualified from jobs for not knowing English, and the government having to spend money on translation services? Of course due to age they aren't going to school on Mexico's dime, demanding subsidized college tuition, nor birthing children there who automatically qualify for citizenship and all its benefits. They're retired so they aren't competing for jobs or depressing wages.

If they're there illegally they need to leave, but let's not pretend the problem of American retirees in Mexico is on par with Mexican illegals in the United States. Do they have a DACA-equivalent program down there where half of Mexico's politicians are arguing for the children of illegal Americans to be granted citizenship? Has any former American president cussed out Mexico on Twitter in defense of American retirees living there and doing whatever they want? I think not.
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What freebies are you referring to?
A Comparison Of Food Assistance Programs In Mexico And The United States

"Food assistance programs have little effect on the extent of poverty in Mexico, while the opposite is true in the United States, primarily because the level of benefits as a percentage of income is much lower in Mexico and a much higher percentage of eligible households receive benefits from food assistance programs in the United States."
__________

Retirees are not the only ones that make up the million of American "citizens", living in Mexico. But you knew that right? As logic dictates ... Also, I thought most people knew that it is cheaper to live in Mexico, than it is to live in America. Shoot, it's cheaper to live in almost any other country than it is to live in the U.S. More people living abroad in 2017 gave up their American Citizenship than in any other time in history, because they were having to pay U.S. taxes on earnings (double taxed) when working in their country of residence.

Migration works both ways. Interesting enough politicians only want to worry about the people coming into the U.S.; not the ones leaving and taking that tax money with them when they go. I'm sure Mexico welcomes the U.S. retirees and any other American willing to work and spend money in their country as it does what? Helps the Mexico economy. Funny, the U.S. citizens or its government doesn't see any value in those things.

Lots has changed in sentiment since Lady Liberty made her debut. However, back then the idea was to grow America not stunt it.

Today though, since all American government knows how to accomplish is raise the price on goods and services and lower the wages of the average worker, I'm impressed any one would want to move to the U.S. The more people worldwide that figure this out and spreads the word the less America will need to worry about immigrants.

Jobs, security and family, if one can not get that in America, why bother risking anything in a move.
 
Old 04-02-2018, 07:57 PM
 
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I live in Northern New England and so am not familiar with the Mexican border. Based on what you say, rather than catch and release, they should be detained until their hearing comes up then. Meanwhile any US employer, including suburban housewives hiring cleaning ladies, should face jail time for hiring illegals. If they can't earn a living here they will leave. If employers faced jail time, they won't hire them.
Expensive.

And you run into all sorts of problems...like imprisoning a 7 year old ...and the internee has a right to a hearing in a reasonable amount of time...which the government cannot do. Backlogs are years long and the courts will not let you lock people up for those kinds of periods.

All US law requires that the hiring agent know the person hired is illegal. Effectively impossible in informal hiring situations. And note the right wing has always blocked all attempts to require a national ID card. We are likely the only major western nation without one.

The only rational solution is to legalize most of the existing illegals untl the remains are controllable. Maybe a remaining half a million or so where are systems can hunt them down, resolve their cases quickly and deport or legalize the person. But the right continues to block all such actions. So the status quo is what we are going to have.
 
Old 04-02-2018, 08:20 PM
 
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Oh for Christs sake.........

Here is the law that President Trump can use

8 U.S. Code 1182 Inadmissible Aliens

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such a period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or of any class of aliens as immigrants or non immigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.


Wise up folks, this is part of the Karlegi Plan. Do you research, your planned obsolescence is heading in the right direction, Gringo. Any Gringo includes all Americans....y'all included, white, yellow, red or black

Get your heads out of your you know what...this is a test, do not fail it!

What can you do about it? Vote out your crooked, bought out by private interests political actors....regardless of what happens, those politicians and MSM perps will be just fine, they are completely protected. .guess what? The average John Q citizen is a sitting duck, by design

Youwho.....Georgia Guidestones, anyone?

Let's look at the current agenda running right now....

First it's oh, dear we gotta take those guns from y'all ... you are killing our young people with them evil guns! Take those evil guns and no more crimes, guys...

Sorry, it's never that simple folks.There are plenty of other avenues to pursue regarding violent crime.

.....Then we will ship in many illegals with long criminal rap sheets, lots of experience with violent crime(s) why? Cause they came from a war torn criminal countries, guys!!!

Promise, if you let them in and embrace them with luv and completely support their every need they will become lawyers and doctors and computer professionals, Gringo!

But it doesn't happen like the story book tale.....they have no skillset besides crime.

But they are good at it...so good at it, that unarmed American citizens are easy pickings for the street smart illegal aliens. No $h*t, if the illegals were as naive' as the average citizen is in the US, unaware and uninformed about the ways of the third world crime and what is required to survive, the criminal illegal would perish pretty darn fast.

No guns, no armed citizendry? Yàll super easy pickings for third world illegals who are rather proficient in the ways of violence and crime to get their needs met.

They see Americans as fat, lazy entitled idiots...easy hits....Those same illegals hail from countries that deny just about any other refugees entrance into their countries...Look up what the Venezuelians and South African Boers are dealing with. Honduras has denied any Vénézuéliens entrance, and have killed people who have entered the country illegally.

BTW. Those supposed Doctors, lawyers and other professionals do not need to cross into any country illegally. With the correct documentation, they are able to secure permanent work visas.

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Old 04-02-2018, 08:35 PM
 
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You do know that even Mexico has universal healthcare right? Its just us in the US that dont.
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Originally Posted by Kaphawoman View Post
For foreign nationals living there illegally?

Also, this thread is about the caravan of Central Americans marching through Mexico to reach the US. Try to stay on topic.
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For foreign nationals living there illegally?
Yes
Health Insurance Options for Expats In Mexico

"There are several health insurance options for expats in Mexico, including international health insurance plans, Mexican health insurance plans and the Mexican Social Security Institute (IMSS)."

Mexico Makes Retirement Affordable for Americans, Canadians, with Healthcare & Discount Card


"The cost of living in Mexico for American and Canadian retirees, and for that matter expats from other Western World countries, is a fraction of what it costs to retire reasonably in one's former homeland."
_______

The Central Americans marching here are fleeing criminal elements and gangs. Are they in for a big surprise if they make it all the way here. Fire to fry pan.
 
Old 04-02-2018, 09:07 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Celiene61 View Post
Oh for Christs sake.........

Here is the law that President Trump can use

8 U.S. Code 1182 Inadmissible Aliens

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such a period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or of any class of aliens as immigrants or non immigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.


Wise up folks, this is part of the Karlegi Plan. Do you research, your planned obsolescence is heading in the right direction, Gringo. Any Gringo includes all Americans....y'all included, white, yellow, red or black

Get your heads out of your you know what

What can you do about it? Vote out your crooked, bought out by private interests political actors....regardless of what happens, those politicians and MSM perps will be just fine, they are completely protected. .guess what? The average John Q citizen is a sitting duck, by design

Youwho.....Georgia Guidestones anyone?

First it's oh, dear we gotta take those guns from y'all ... you are killing our young people with them evil guns!

.....Then we will ship in many illegals with long rap sheets, lots of experience with violent crime(s) why? Cause they can from a war torn criminal country, guys....promise, if you let them in and embrace them with luv and completely support their every need they will become lawyers and doctors and computer professionals, Gringo!

But it doesn't happen like the story book tale.....they have no skillset besides crime. But they are good at it...so good at it, that unarmed American citizens are easy pickings for the street smart illegal aliens. No $h*t, if you were as stupid as you are in the US, how unaware and uninformed about the ways of the third world and what is required to survive, you would perish pretty fast.

No guns, no armed citizendry? Yàll super easy pickings for third world illegals who are rather proficient in the ways of violence and crime to get their needs met.

They see Americans as fat, lazy entitled idiots...easy hits....Those same illegals hail from countries that deny just about any other refugees entrance into their countries...Look up what the Venezuelians and South African Boers and what they are dealing with. Honduras has denied any Vénézuéliens entrance, and have killed people who have entered the country illegally.

BTW. Those supposed Doctors, lawyers and other professionals do not need to cross into any country illegally. With the correct documentation, they are able to secure permanent work visas.
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this is part of the Karlegi Plan
Well we do have a decrease in birth rates, but not just the U.S. and Europe but world wide. Then there are the couples of different cultures and ethnic backgrounds that fall in love and marry. Can't stop love ... I don't know how that falls into that plan, but the heart wants what the heart wants. So sorry, don't see it.
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Georgia Guidestones anyone?
If I pulled the Bible out and showed the biblical prophecies of one government world wide, you'd thump me in the head with it. But thank you for bringing up the Georgia Guidestones, those are cool.
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They see Americans as fat, lazy entitled idiots.
Gee, I can't imagine what would give them that idea. lol
Unarmed American citizens? Not today they aren't. May be tomorrow, but not today.

These people marching here they do so in hopes there will be a better tomorrow, who wants to be the one to tell 'em they are wasting their time and energy? Wait, we don't have to. That's why Trump was elected. The great harasser and evictor ... he serves a great purpose in times such as these.
 
Old 04-02-2018, 09:10 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Celiene61 View Post
Oh for Christs sake.........

Here is the law that President Trump can use

8 U.S. Code 1182 Inadmissible Aliens

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such a period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or of any class of aliens as immigrants or non immigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.


Wise up folks, this is part of the Karlegi Plan. Do you research, your planned obsolescence is heading in the right direction, Gringo. Any Gringo includes all Americans....y'all included, white, yellow, red or black

Get your heads out of your you know what

What can you do about it? Vote out your crooked, bought out by private interests political actors....regardless of what happens, those politicians and MSM perps will be just fine, they are completely protected. .guess what? The average John Q citizen is a sitting duck, by design

Youwho.....Georgia Guidestones, anyone?

Let's look at the current agenda running right now....

First it's oh, dear we gotta take those guns from y'all ... you are killing our young people with them evil guns! Take those evil guns and no more crimes, guys...sorry, it's never that simple folks.There are plenty of other avenues to pursue regarding violent crime.

.....Then we will ship in many illegals with long rap sheets, lots of experience with violent crime(s) why? Cause they came from a war torn criminal country, guys....promise, if you let them in and embrace them with luv and completely support their every need they will become lawyers and doctors and computer professionals, Gringo!

But it doesn't happen like the story book tale.....they have no skillset besides crime. But they are good at it...so good at it, that unarmed American citizens are easy pickings for the street smart illegal aliens. No $h*t, if the illegals were as naive' as the average citizen is in the US, how unaware and uninformed about the ways of the third world crime and what is required to survive, the criminal illegal would perish pretty fast.

No guns, no armed citizendry? Yàll super easy pickings for third world illegals who are rather proficient in the ways of violence and crime to get their needs met.

They see Americans as fat, lazy entitled idiots...easy hits....Those same illegals hail from countries that deny just about any other refugees entrance into their countries...Look up what the Venezuelians and South African Boers are dealing with. Honduras has denied any Vénézuéliens entrance, and have killed people who have entered the country illegally.

BTW. Those supposed Doctors, lawyers and other professionals do not need to cross into any country illegally. With the correct documentation, they are able to secure permanent work visas.
He cannot deny entry as they are in. So he has to deport them. That requires judicial action and years. They are not Mexicans and he cannot force the Mexicans to take them back once in the US.

The rest of this is simple BS. No reasonable response as there is no reasonable point. Just a rant.
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