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Old 04-01-2018, 02:41 PM
 
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Too bad he signed a budget that was basically exactly what the Dems want, with this silly caveat of "I'll never sign anything like this again!"

Just like "I'll never drink again!"
He wanted a huge increase in military spending. He got it, right? You understand why he wanted that right?

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I mean, if you had pulled a horse's tail when you were six years old and got kicked in the head, the brain damage might make it such that you actually believe him, but for the rest of us it means two things:

A - Trump isn't the negotiator or dealmaker he's portrayed to be on television

B - Trump is actually a liberal Democrat

Or it can be both "A" and "B."
I am NOT defending Trump but it always comes down to this.
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Old 04-01-2018, 02:43 PM
 
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We owe nothing to illegals, regardless of when they came or who brought them. Their deportation remains deferred for another year until Trump can use them as a bargaining chip again, and D's can put illegals before citizens... again.
You can't deport 30 million plus people. It's an impossibility. Trump will round up 1% and tell you that he is doing something and just like those who bought Obama's failures, you will buy Trump's.
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Old 04-01-2018, 03:00 PM
 
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The point is even after DACA expires Trump has said no to a permanent deal now and it won't pass at a later date either. [/url]
trump will be a lame duck after the mid-terms. There are many GOP senators who are reasonable and IN FAVOR of DACA. After the Dems win the house DACA will pass.....veto proof.
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Old 04-01-2018, 03:02 PM
 
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trump will be a lame duck after the mid-terms. There are many GOP senators who are reasonable and IN FAVOR of DACA. After the Dems win the house DACA will pass.....veto proof.
How exactly does that work? (you know it doesn't but that isn't going to stop you)
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Old 04-01-2018, 03:04 PM
 
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Dems didnít seem that concerned about it when it came down to it . Otherwise they would of worked on a deal right ?
I believe that to be the case. Trump would have given the Democrats those 800,000 or so but he wanted chain migration and the immigration lottery to end, plus funding for the wall. Personally I wasn't to thrilled with letting the 800,000 or so stay but was willing to put up with it if President Trump got what he wanted. Now I guess we can gradually let this temporary program expire and start sending them back from wherever they were brought.
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Old 04-01-2018, 03:27 PM
 
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I believe that to be the case. Trump would have given the Democrats those 800,000 or so but he wanted chain migration and the immigration lottery to end, plus funding for the wall. Personally I wasn't to thrilled with letting the 800,000 or so stay but was willing to put up with it if President Trump got what he wanted. Now I guess we can gradually let this temporary program expire and start sending them back from wherever they were brought.
We do not have the ability to do that. The courts are backed up as it is now.
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Old 04-01-2018, 03:52 PM
 
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You can't deport 30 million plus people. It's an impossibility. Trump will round up 1% and tell you that he is doing something and just like those who bought Obama's failures, you will buy Trump's.
Why is it that when I idea comes up it has to work 100% or don't try. Of course you can't suddenly capture and deport 30 million (is 30 now? I thought it was 11), why even suggest that. You sound pessimistic about the current efforts to deport illegal aliens, what are you proposing we do?
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Old 04-01-2018, 03:58 PM
 
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We do not have the ability to do that. The courts are backed up as it is now.
Well, they could if they change the system and/or the constitution is re worded. But thatíd take a long time
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Old 04-01-2018, 03:59 PM
 
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Why is it that when I idea comes up it has to work 100% or don't try. Of course you can't suddenly capture and deport 30 million (is 30 now? I thought it was 11), why even suggest that. You sound pessimistic about the current efforts to deport illegal aliens, what are you proposing we do?
Working 1% is nowhere close to 100%. It's a failure.

I propose we go after the reason people come here. The employers.
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Old 04-01-2018, 04:00 PM
 
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Working 1% is nowhere close to 100%. It's a failure.

I propose we go after the reason people come here. The employers.
Now now, thatís wayyyy too logical
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