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Old 05-17-2018, 11:46 AM
 
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You have to be blind to your own hatred, in your own sentence you acknowledge that she had a tourist visa, thus she was LEGALLY in the U.S., I am done wasting my time with someone who cannot get their facts correct.
Of course she had a tourist visa, that's why she was here ILLEGALLY.

How do you think illegals get here? Via tourist visa. How do you walk from Slovania to NYC? They only way to be an illegal in NYC from Slovenia is via tourist visa.

And I'm not showing any "hatred". In fact I don't think Melania should be deported, that would be silly. Just calling out the blatant, laughable hypocrisy of being pro-Trump and anti-illegal.
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:03 PM
 
Location: California
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Do you condone living like that?

Of course, Americans don't live like that. Over 100 years ago, there was a push to deal with crowded living conditions and finally put an end to it. Such conditions create fire hazards and spread diseases. We were past all that until we got infested with illegals to the point where it got out of control.

Illegals living the way you describe end up destroying whole neighborhoods. I know---it happened in my area. When I once talked with a local deputy, he described going into houses with 16 people living in them and the conditions were deplorable.

They also put huge strains on the local schools. There are formulas to figure out how many kids there are in school districts. Flophouses put those numbers into chaos.

16-20 people living in a 3 bedroom 1 bath house. Guess where the second bathroom is? Answer----it's the backyard.

I have no sympathy for illegals who live like that. They have no business being in this country and need to leave.

However, I have sympathy for those who have seen their property values drop due to flophouses in their neighborhoods.

Those field workers who live like that are working for sleazy farmers who refuse to use the agricultural guest worker program. One condition in this visa program is that housing is to be provided for the workers. It's despicable that there are farmers who deliberately and knowingly hire cheap, exploitable, illegal labor.

Heck no!!! I do not support them living like that. I too lived in an area where they live in garages. My parents still do, they take up the whole street with all their cars. When my mom has a BBQ, there is very little parking.

I just pointed out that us Americans would not want to like like they do.

So no, I do not condone it.
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:11 PM
 
Location: California
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Do you condone living like that?

Of course, Americans don't live like that. Over 100 years ago, there was a push to deal with crowded living conditions and finally put an end to it. Such conditions create fire hazards and spread diseases. We were past all that until we got infested with illegals to the point where it got out of control.

Illegals living the way you describe end up destroying whole neighborhoods. I know---it happened in my area. When I once talked with a local deputy, he described going into houses with 16 people living in them and the conditions were deplorable.

They also put huge strains on the local schools. There are formulas to figure out how many kids there are in school districts. Flophouses put those numbers into chaos.

16-20 people living in a 3 bedroom 1 bath house. Guess where the second bathroom is? Answer----it's the backyard.

I have no sympathy for illegals who live like that. They have no business being in this country and need to leave.

However, I have sympathy for those who have seen their property values drop due to flophouses in their neighborhoods.

Those field workers who live like that are working for sleazy farmers who refuse to use the agricultural guest worker program. One condition in this visa program is that housing is to be provided for the workers. It's despicable that there are farmers who deliberately and knowingly hire cheap, exploitable, illegal labor.
We had a local farmer who was building 7 houses in a cu-de-sac to provide housing for his migrant workers. He went through the proper channels, got all the necessary permits. When the neighbors got wind of what was happening they protested. They tried to get him to stop but the law was on his side. So what did they do, they burnt one of the house still being framed to the ground. The farmer at that point pulled out for the safety of the workers.
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Old 05-17-2018, 01:16 PM
 
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Property values rise due to immigration, obviously. Visit NYC, SF, LA, Miami, etc.
Due to LEGAL immigration, not ILLEGAL immigration. Stop trying to blur the lines between legal and illegal immigration.

You obviously never have seen a flophouse on your street. If you did, you would know how it negatively impacts property values.
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Old 05-17-2018, 01:18 PM
 
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We had a local farmer who was building 7 houses in a cu-de-sac to provide housing for his migrant workers. He went through the proper channels, got all the necessary permits. When the neighbors got wind of what was happening they protested. They tried to get him to stop but the law was on his side. So what did they do, they burnt one of the house still being framed to the ground. The farmer at that point pulled out for the safety of the workers.
Were these houses for guest workers or for illegal aliens?

I'm trying to understand why anyone would object to this. Were they being built in the middle of a pricey area?
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Old 05-17-2018, 01:53 PM
 
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Due to LEGAL immigration, not ILLEGAL immigration. Stop trying to blur the lines between legal and illegal immigration.
That makes no sense. Why would property values rise or fall based on the citizenship or residency status? Melania Trump was reducing property values when she was illegal, but raising property values when she was legal? LOL.

Also, if that were the case, then why don't you support making illegal immigrants legal? Then property values would skyrocket, according to you.

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You obviously never have seen a flophouse on your street. If you did, you would know how it negatively impacts property values.
I live in NYC, which has more immigrants than any other city on earth, so could hardly be better situated to assess the claims. Anyone who has lived around immigrants knows they are a huge net gain for property values.

Also, not sure what a "flophouse" even is in 2018. That sounds like a 1950's term for where single men used to live.
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Old 05-17-2018, 01:54 PM
 
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I'm trying to understand why anyone would object to this. Were they being built in the middle of a pricey area?
Wait a sec, we have Trump as President, with millions of rabid anti-immigrant cultists, and you're unable to understand why someone would be against immigration?
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Old 05-17-2018, 02:32 PM
 
Location: California
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Were these houses for guest workers or for illegal aliens?

I'm trying to understand why anyone would object to this. Were they being built in the middle of a pricey area?

They were vetted workers under that program to allow them to work here legally. It was in a nicer development. I guess the farmers mistake was the houses weren't in some run down area.


http://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/lo...e78859597.html
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Old 05-17-2018, 03:33 PM
 
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That makes no sense. Why would property values rise or fall based on the citizenship or residency status? Melania Trump was reducing property values when she was illegal, but raising property values when she was legal? LOL.

Also, if that were the case, then why don't you support making illegal immigrants legal? Then property values would skyrocket, according to you.



I live in NYC, which has more immigrants than any other city on earth, so could hardly be better situated to assess the claims. Anyone who has lived around immigrants knows they are a huge net gain for property values.

Also, not sure what a "flophouse" even is in 2018. That sounds like a 1950's term for where single men used to live.
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Wait a sec, we have Trump as President, with millions of rabid anti-immigrant cultists, and you're unable to understand why someone would be against immigration?
Oh, good grief!

If it is an upscale area and prices are going up, then it would be LEGAL immigrants who are buying such properties. Do you really think that illegal aliens who are functionally illiterate are buying properties in upscale areas? Are illegal aliens buying condos and co-ops in NYC?

I saw my area get destroyed by ILLEGAL aliens who live in flophouses. In some cases, legal immigrants were making illegal apartments in their basements. People who lived next to those properties saw their property values go down and the crime rates go up.

You don't know what a "flophouse" is? Seriously? I gave examples in a previous post in this thread. Perhaps you missed it. A good example of flophouses are houses with 3 bedrooms and a family occupying each bedroom That's how you get 16-20 people living in a 3 bedroom 1 bath house.

Apparently, you are fortunate enough to be insulated from the deleterious effects of illegal immigration.

As for your remark about "rabid anti-immigrant cultists". Being against illegal immigration does NOT make one "anti-immigrant". Stop trying to blur the lines between the two. Also, I don't know what you're talking about when you mention "cultists".
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Old 05-17-2018, 03:38 PM
 
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They were vetted workers under that program to allow them to work here legally. It was in a nicer development. I guess the farmers mistake was the houses weren't in some run down area.


Arson is official cause of Nipomo farmworker housing fire | The Tribune
Were these houses built on land that was part of the farm? Usually, when farmers provide places for guest workers to live, they are living on the farm.

Still, I give kudos to this farmer for using the guest worker program.
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