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Old 04-09-2018, 02:20 PM
 
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No one has a problem with anyone wanting a better life. There are LEGAL ways to immigrate to the U.S., if that's what one wishes. That's what should be done. Anyone who deliberately violates federal law for their own selfish reasons deserves to be called a criminal. Just like bank robbers (also a violation of federal law) are called criminals. Bank robbers don't get to keep the stolen money. Illegal aliens don't get to keep the stolen residency in the U.S. That's fair for all.

What these people don't seem to understand is that we have annual quotas for legal immigration based on our ability to provide jobs and resources to immigrants without it negatively impacting our own citizens. They seem to think we should be the flophouse and employment agency to whole world's poor and needy's desire to come here. That would be committing national suicide. Our own citizen's needs and rights should come first. We already send billions back to countries who have high rates of poverty. Importing more poverty into our country would kill the goose that laid the golden egg, so to speak.
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Old 04-09-2018, 02:40 PM
 
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It is not just "limousine lefties" who employ illegals. I live in a development in a city in a state that are all red. Every one of my rightie neighbors has an illegal landscaper, housekeeper and often a poolman. Every builder subs to crews of illegals. Get anything done to your house and its all illegal workers who do the actual labor. The ag fields are plowed, planted and harvested by illegal labor. I think if illegals were taken out of the sun belt it would be too costly to be the magnet it now is for retirees who rail about illegals at the same time as handing them the cash.

I might add that we have e-verify laws in Arizona. But independent workers and contractors who hire and pay under the table don't get caught up in them. They have been quite effective in the restaurant business though FWIW.
I wouldn't be surprised if you got added to a number of users' Ignore lists because they're too busy discussing how "blue state California" is responsible for this "mess."
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Old 04-09-2018, 03:14 PM
 
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I am not really so much against the illegals who come here to work and pretty much have good values and behavior as I am against their children both citizen and non-citizen, half of whom never finish high school and end up thugs and drunks and criminals.
Per the bolded --- The terms law-abiding illegal alien and honest illegal alien are oxymorons. If illegals had "good values", then they never would have broken our immigration laws. In other words, if they wanted to come here, they would apply to come here legally. If their applications to come here got rejected, they would accept that instead of thumbing their noses at our immigration laws.
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Old 04-09-2018, 03:16 PM
 
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You should be hating all the republican business owners who hire them. These people just want a better life. You take out he jobs and they won’t come.
I'm pretty sure it's not all republicans hiring illegals.

And yes, I hate all business owners who knowingly hire illegals. And I'm a republican.
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Old 04-09-2018, 03:47 PM
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if you got added to a number of users' Ignore lists because they're too busy discussing how "blue state California" is responsible for this "mess."

They certainly are aiding and abetting illegal aliens there is no denying it. No one is saying that California is responsible for this total mess. There certainly is enough blame to go around.
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Old 04-09-2018, 08:25 PM
 
Location: southern california
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It is not just "limousine lefties" who employ illegals. I live in a development in a city in a state that are all red. Every one of my rightie neighbors has an illegal landscaper, housekeeper and often a poolman. Every builder subs to crews of illegals. Get anything done to your house and its all illegal workers who do the actual labor. The ag fields are plowed, planted and harvested by illegal labor. I think if illegals were taken out of the sun belt it would be too costly to be the magnet it now is for retirees who rail about illegals at the same time as handing them the cash.

I might add that we have e-verify laws in Arizona. But independent workers and contractors who hire and pay under the table don't get caught up in them. They have been quite effective in the restaurant business though FWIW.
You are right you don’t have to be a limousine lefty to be an exploiter of illegal immigrant labor
Plenty of blame to share all around
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Old 04-09-2018, 08:30 PM
 
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Jobs are one of the reason they come .... they also come to have babies that are American citizens and thus qualify for benefits. They come to get medical care (for free.)
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Old 04-09-2018, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Left coast
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I think that Trump and his cronies are sponging off the Taxpayers dime (his sons $73,000 trip to Saudi wedding- funded by your tax dollars, Ivanka's exemptions to keep producing her stuff in China without tariffs, his tax evasion!) well more than a few hundred "illegals" who are at least hard working and PAYING into our tax economy!
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Old 04-09-2018, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Left coast
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The double standard is pretty revolting actually-- white american idiots ok to sponge off my taxes but working immigrants - NOT (and lets not forget our president comes from an illegal immigrant-- and he can afford reparations to the taxpayers...)
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Old 04-09-2018, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Florida & Cebu, Philippines
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Lets face it, illegals for the most part come to have citizen babies, so they can get free money and benefits, take either part away and most would stop coming.
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