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Old 04-25-2018, 08:51 PM
 
Location: la la land
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Vast majority are criminals . Plenty of criminals to focus on and get the hell out of our country .

If you have evidence that the people being rounded up are mostly just regular illegals please post.
No jm, I'm not letting you get away with that, I never said that most of the people being rounded up are "just regular illegals". Obama focused on criminals, Trump focuses on easy prey, like families and illegals who have been here for decades

"In Trump's first year, US Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrested 109,000 criminals and 46,000 people without criminal records -- a 171% increase in the number of non-criminal individuals arrested over 2016" https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/02/polit...ons/index.html
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Old 04-25-2018, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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No jm, I'm not letting you get away with that, I never said that most of the people being rounded up are "just regular illegals". Obama focused on criminals, Trump focuses on easy prey, like families and illegals who have been here for decades

"In Trump's first year, US Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrested 109,000 criminals and 46,000 people without criminal records -- a 171% increase in the number of non-criminal individuals arrested over 2016" https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/02/polit...ons/index.html
Sanctuary city policies make it harder to focus on getting only the bad guys since ICE has to enter the communities . A lot of people get caught in the net .. because of sanctuary policies

And at the end of the day these folks have no legal right to live in this country .. even if they aren’t child rapists or gang bangers .
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Old 04-25-2018, 11:41 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Retaining a person without a court order or some other lawful reason violates the US Constitution.

https://www.ilrc.org/sites/default/f...ber_2017_0.pdf
Probable cause and reasonable suspicion are lawful reasons.
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Old 04-26-2018, 01:03 AM
 
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Sanctuary city policies make it harder to focus on getting only the bad guys since ICE has to enter the communities . A lot of people get caught in the net .. because of sanctuary policies

And at the end of the day these folks have no legal right to live in this country .. even if they aren’t child rapists or gang bangers .
^^^^Great response

It's incredible that some think just because an illegal managed to live here for "decades" that somehow makes it okay for them to continue doing so

The term "law-abiding illegal alien" is an oxymoron. The minute an illegal either sneaks across the border or overstays a visa, they have committed a crime. Then, in order to work, they either have to commit ID theft or use a fake SSN. Many times that fake SSN belongs to a living person who, like the ID theft victim, gets put into a world of hurt. Or illegals get paid under the table, thereby engaging in tax evasion, which is a crime.

How can anyone can defend illegals or feel sorry for them? SMH
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Old 04-26-2018, 04:49 AM
 
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^^^^Great response

It's incredible that some think just because an illegal managed to live here for "decades" that somehow makes it okay for them to continue doing so
You believe it.

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The term "law-abiding illegal alien" is an oxymoron. The minute an illegal either sneaks across the border or overstays a visa, they have committed a crime. Then, in order to work, they either have to commit ID theft or use a fake SSN. Many times that fake SSN belongs to a living person who, like the ID theft victim, gets put into a world of hurt. Or illegals get paid under the table, thereby engaging in tax evasion, which is a crime.

How can anyone can defend illegals or feel sorry for them? SMH
I feel sorry for taxpayers for having to support a completely broken system because people like yourself insist on defending it because your politics demand it. Illegals do not bother me as much as your politics.
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Old 04-26-2018, 07:12 AM
 
Location: la la land
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Sanctuary city policies make it harder to focus on getting only the bad guys since ICE has to enter the communities . A lot of people get caught in the net .. because of sanctuary policies
So how does ICE arrest anyone without entering the community, does local law enforcement fedex illegals to ICE HQ
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Old 04-26-2018, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Metro Washington DC
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It seemed as though you were claiming that this: "sanctuary cities do not ask about immigration status, and if they know, they don't pass it on" is how you were defining a lack of cooperation. My response specifically addressed that, this is from the link that was in my post:

"He had posted bail and was on his way out the door of the Grand Prairie Police Department Detention Center — where he had been booked on charges of driving while intoxicated — when a jailer began asking questions.
“I was maybe 3 feet away from breathing fresh air,” Garza recalled. “And [the jailer] said ‘What’s your name? What’s your birthdate? What’s your social? Where were you born?’” That last question, and the way police reacted to his answer, would throw the 46-year-old warehouse manager into the messy intersection of local law enforcement and U.S. immigration policy, ultimately triggering a federal lawsuit.

Garza told jail officials he was born in Mexico but had since become a U.S. citizen. But when the jail contacted U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to verify his status, federal immigration officials told jailers they believed Garza was a U.S. permanent resident whose criminal history potentially made him a deportable immigrant.
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https://www.texastribune.org/2016/02...tion-question/

That is an example of why Local LE should not be questioning arrestees and making guesses about their immigration status and, it also demonstrates how messed up ICE is that they detained him for a month thinking he was a permanent resident rather than a citizen.
ICE is who messed up, not the local cops. That does not mean there should be no cooperation. The Feds do screw up sometimes.
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Old 04-26-2018, 07:23 AM
 
Location: la la land
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Probable cause and reasonable suspicion are lawful reasons.
Probable cause is required to detain someone for a criminal offense without a warrant for 48 hours. Immigration violations are civil violations. The 4th amendment does not allow for warrantless detentions for civil violations. ICE knows this and that is why they call their detainer a request. If they want to hold people on detainers they need to obtain a judicial warrant -or-they need to immediately transport them to a federal holding facility and assume the responsibility for their decision to detain.
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Old 04-26-2018, 07:37 AM
 
Location: la la land
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ICE is who messed up, not the local cops. That does not mean there should be no cooperation. The Feds do screw up sometimes.
By honoring ICE detainers, local law enforcement is creating a liability for damages. here is a partial list of cases where the local agency was found to have acted illegally by holding people on ICE detainers, in most of them the local jurisdiction was sanctioned with money damages.

Federal courts have held local law enforcement agencies liable for unconstitutional detentions pursuant to ICE detainers on several occasions:
Miranda-Olivares v. Clackamas Co., No. 3:12-cv-02317-ST (D. Or. April 11, 2014)
Harvey v. City of New York, No. 07-0343 (E.D.N.Y. filed Jan. 16, 2007)
Cacho v. Gusman, No. 11-0225 (E.D. La. filed February 2, 2011)
Quezada v. Mink, No. 10-0879 (D. Co. filed Apr. 21, 2010)
Ramos-Macario v. Jones, No. 10-0813 (M.D. Tenn. filed Aug. 30, 2010) (same)
Galarza v. Szalczyk, No. 10-06815 *10 (E.D. Pa. filed Sept. 28 2012)
Mendoza v. Osterberg, 2014 WL 3784141 (D. Neb. 2014)
Castillo v. Swarski, No. C08-5683 (W.D. Wash. Nov. 13, 2008)
Wiltshire v. United States, Nos. 09-4745, 09-5787 (E.D. Pa. Oct. 16, 2009)
Jimenez v. United States, No. 11-1582 (S.D. Ind. filed Nov. 30, 2011)

Do you really want your tax money used to settle lawsuits because ICE is knowingly asking your local jail to break the law and illegally hold detainees?
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Old 04-26-2018, 07:40 AM
 
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ICE is who messed up, not the local cops. That does not mean there should be no cooperation. The Feds do screw up sometimes.
I explained how cooperation worked and you ignore it. Why?

Cooperation. The city arrests someone. They make the calls to determine whether they are here legally as the state CAN NOT do that. The Feds ask the state to hold them which we need to note the states can NO longer do. The Feds have NO place to hold all these people. So maybe the Feds pick them up. They get a hearing........they get released. Maybe they show back up to their next hearing, maybe they don't. We argue they do....they get deported.......they turn around and come right back because their only means of support is here.

I posted a perfect example of this yesterday. Why should states waste their resources especially when those complaining do not want to pay the costs anyway?

What is the point? There is no point other than politics and the protection of the cheap labor. Explain it to me.
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