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Old 04-28-2018, 10:19 AM
 
Location: la la land
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As your article notes, the (D)'s shot it down under Bush. Both parties put politics ahead of what is best for the country.
"In another marked change from the failed 2007 effort, no Democrats voted against the immigration bill on Thursday. Six years ago, 15 Senate Democrats did."

So 15 democrats killed the 2007 bill??? Wow, they had more power than they realized, huh?
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Old 04-28-2018, 11:13 AM
 
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You are again misstating what occurred. The primary reason for the defeat in 2007 was Republican opposition..

From Reuters...

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Only 33 Democrats, 12 Republicans and one independent voted to advance the bill, while 15 Democrats joined 37 Republicans and one independent to block it.
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And a majority of the Republicans in the house also opposed it.
That pretty much backs my point.
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Old 04-28-2018, 11:15 AM
 
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"In another marked change from the failed 2007 effort, no Democrats voted against the immigration bill on Thursday. Six years ago, 15 Senate Democrats did."

So 15 democrats killed the 2007 bill??? Wow, they had more power than they realized, huh?
To note......they did nothing when they held both the House and Senate and White House. It's easy to vote for something when you know it isn't actually going to pass.
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Old 04-28-2018, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Metro Washington DC
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That's what the immigration bill that passed in the senate was going to do, and as part of it e-verify would have been mandatory and an electronic system of tracking visa overstays would have been implemented.
The Republicans in the house refused to hold a vote on it so it died.

https://www.politico.com/story/2013/...-passes-093530

Is this quote from the article the reason why they wouldn't support it?

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The Gang of Eight bill would essentially revamp every corner of U.S. immigration law, establishing a 13-year pathway to citizenship for millions of undocumented immigrants,
Makes it seem like that bill would let them all stay, whereas the idea I liked was to let some stay (the ones who were the longest).
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Old 04-28-2018, 05:26 PM
 
Location: la la land
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Is this quote from the article the reason why they wouldn't support it?
Makes it seem like that bill would let them all stay, whereas the idea I liked was to let some stay (the ones who were the longest).

This is what was in the bill:

PATH TO CITIZENSHIP

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—The estimated 11 million people living in the U.S. illegally could obtain "registered provisional immigrant status" six months after enactment of the bill as long as:

(1) The Homeland Security Department has developed border security and fencing plans, per the specifications set out in the bill.

(2) They arrived in the U.S. prior to Dec. 31, 2011, and maintained continuous physical presence since then.

(3) They do not have a felony conviction or three or more misdemeanors.

(4) They pay a $500 fine.

—People in provisional legal status could work and travel in the U.S. but would not be eligible for most federal benefits, including health care and welfare.

—The provisional legal status lasts six years and is renewable for another six years for $500.
https://www.politico.com/story/2013/...summary-093557
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Old 04-28-2018, 05:41 PM
 
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This is what was in the bill:

PATH TO CITIZENSHIP


https://www.politico.com/story/2013/...summary-093557
The reason it did not pass is reasonably clear. The Republican leadership in the house would not allow a vote. It would have passed reasonably easily. The Republican position though has logic. A majority of the Republicans opposed it. So basically a majority of the Republicans got to override a majority of the house.

The Republicans wanted it that way. Otherwise a majority of the house could have forced a vote.
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Old 05-07-2018, 09:15 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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The reason it did not pass is reasonably clear. The Republican leadership in the house would not allow a vote. It would have passed reasonably easily. The Republican position though has logic. A majority of the Republicans opposed it. So basically a majority of the Republicans got to override a majority of the house.

The Republicans wanted it that way. Otherwise a majority of the house could have forced a vote.
So you think illegals should be allowed to stay? Got it.

Should they be allowed to vote?
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Old 05-07-2018, 09:25 PM
 
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So you think illegals should be allowed to stay? Got it.

Should they be allowed to vote?
No I think we have been around this before so you should understand my position. The illegal aliens should all have been sent back where they came from within months of their arrival. You do not allow people to ignore your border or immigration laws.

But we did allow it. And have allowed the population to reach such a size and tenure that is not practically possible to remove them. And at this point it would also be somewhat immoral to do it.

Voting is a non issue. Simply legalize and let them enter the normal permanent registration in 12 or 15 years. And by the way if you know a few Mexicans the belief they will vote liberal is likely misplaced.
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Old 05-07-2018, 09:28 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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No I think we have been around this before so you should understand my position. The illegal aliens should all have been sent back where they came from within months of their arrival. You do not allow people to ignore your border or immigration laws.

But we did allow it. And have allowed the population to reach such a size and tenure that is not practically possible to remove them. And at this point it would also be somewhat immoral to do it.

Voting is a non issue. Simply legalize and let them enter the normal permanent registration in 12 or 15 years. And by the way if you know a few Mexicans the belief they will vote liberal is likely misplaced.
It's OK with me if they vote liberal; I just don't want some community organizer how to vote.

And as for the rest of your post, frankly, I haven't been here as much as usual. Work and outdoor activity rule now that the weather is (finally) nice.
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