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Old 04-20-2018, 06:49 AM
 
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Here's a link: DHS reveals dozens of MS-13, other gang members released by 'sanctuary' policies | Fox News

Releasing dangerous criminals back on the streets instead of cooperating with ICE is not helpful. Going after employers is good, but it's not enough. There are multiple fronts in this battle. To solve illegal immigration.
Not enough? It isn't happening. Where is the condemnation? Politics.
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:22 AM
 
Location: East of the Mississippi and South of Bluegrass
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Default Just the facts...

I think Sanctuary Cities create more problems in the long run. Deportations are somewhat effective but in many instances the deportees are desperate and do return, eventually.

As usual, JMHO of course.

The Original list of Sanctuary Cities, USA

Sanctuary policies, official or de facto, result in safe havens (or safer havens) for illegal aliens involved in a variety of criminal enterprises. Sanctuary policies inhibit the ability of law enforcement officers to accurately identify foreign nationals which makes it more difficult to uncover their illegal activities. Illegal aliens face less risk of deportation too if caught by local law enforcement. Sanctuary policies also help shield the operations of Latin American drug cartels, gangs, and terrorist cells--since their activities are less likely to be detected and real identities uncovered by local, state, or federal law enforcement.

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Obama Vs. Trump: Who Has Deported More Immigrants?

For a Democrat, Obama took a fairly tough stance, particularly early in his presidency, toward undocumented immigrants. In March 2014, Janet Murguía, president of the National Council on La Raza, a Latino advocacy group, called Obama “the deporter-in-chief.”

It was a criticism that activists leveled at Obama throughout his presidency. From 2009 to 2016, his administration oversaw the forcible removal of more than 3 million undocumented immigrants—most of whom were sent back to Mexico. Neither Bill Clinton, nor George W. Bush, Obama’s two predecessors, came close in reaching his tally over their two terms.

Obama Vs. Trump: Who Has Deported More Immigrants?
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Old 04-20-2018, 08:16 AM
 
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As long as the reason people come here remain, deportions are a waste of time, energy and money.
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Old 04-20-2018, 11:10 AM
 
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I think Sanctuary Cities create more problems in the long run. Deportations are somewhat effective but in many instances the deportees are desperate and do return, eventually.

As usual, JMHO of course.

The Original list of Sanctuary Cities, USA

Sanctuary policies, official or de facto, result in safe havens (or safer havens) for illegal aliens involved in a variety of criminal enterprises. Sanctuary policies inhibit the ability of law enforcement officers to accurately identify foreign nationals which makes it more difficult to uncover their illegal activities. Illegal aliens face less risk of deportation too if caught by local law enforcement. Sanctuary policies also help shield the operations of Latin American drug cartels, gangs, and terrorist cells--since their activities are less likely to be detected and real identities uncovered by local, state, or federal law enforcement.

Sanctuary cities, sanctuary, sanctuary city, sanctuary city list, list of sanctuary cities, list, Ohio, jobs, OJJPAC, justice, illegal alien, immigration, amnesty, undocumented, ICE, NYC, IIRIRA, Huston, Chicago, Phoenix, Steve Salvi

Obama Vs. Trump: Who Has Deported More Immigrants?

For a Democrat, Obama took a fairly tough stance, particularly early in his presidency, toward undocumented immigrants. In March 2014, Janet Murguía, president of the National Council on La Raza, a Latino advocacy group, called Obama “the deporter-in-chief.”

It was a criticism that activists leveled at Obama throughout his presidency. From 2009 to 2016, his administration oversaw the forcible removal of more than 3 million undocumented immigrants—most of whom were sent back to Mexico. Neither Bill Clinton, nor George W. Bush, Obama’s two predecessors, came close in reaching his tally over their two terms.

Obama Vs. Trump: Who Has Deported More Immigrants?

Per what I bolded regarding the so-called "deporter in chief" --- That has long since been debunked. Yet the myth still persists:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...dhs-chief-say/

https://cis.org/Cadman/Truth-Finally-Admitted

Lou Dobbs: Obama administration 'manipulated deportation data' | PunditFact
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Old 04-20-2018, 11:14 AM
 
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As long as the reason people come here remain, deportions are a waste of time, energy and money.
Sorry to hear that you feel that way. Do you think that we should give up, lie down and wave the white flag of surrender?

Is it all or nothing for you when it comes to this issue?

Deportations are never a waste of time. Do you think that the vilest of the vile should never be deported? If so, wow...just...wow.
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Old 04-20-2018, 11:23 AM
 
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As long as the reason people come here remain, deportions are a waste of time, energy and money.
So you want the US to be less great? People will still want to come here, even if you make it harder to employ illegals. Of course we should be deporting illegals.
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Old 04-20-2018, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Huntsville, AL
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As long as the reason people come here remain, deportions are a waste of time, energy and money.
Wrong.


Build wall, increase border security, feverishly work to deport ALL illegals.
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Old 04-20-2018, 11:27 AM
 
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Sorry to hear that you feel that way. Do you think that we should give up, lie down and wave the white flag of surrender?
LOL, I said what I thought. It was nothing like what you asked.

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Is it all or nothing for you when it comes to this issue?

Deportations are never a waste of time. Do you think that the vilest of the vile should never be deported? If so, wow...just...wow.
If you have cancer and an ingrown toenail, getting the toenail addressed while ignoring the cancer may give you a brief feeling of being better but you are not.

You have to make up stupid crap because you refuse to address the real problem. We can deport the "vile" and next month they will be back.
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Old 04-20-2018, 11:29 AM
 
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Wrong.


Build wall, increase border security, feverishly work to deport ALL illegals.
You can not no matter how "feverishly" you work. We can't address the few we arrest now. I'll note, nowhere did you mention addressing the reasons they come to start with.
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Old 04-20-2018, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Huntsville, AL
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You can not no matter how "feverishly" you work. We can't address the few we arrest now. I'll note, nowhere did you mention addressing the reasons they come to start with.
I certainly don't have all the answers, but let me revise my last post.


Make e-verify the absolute standard (or whatever is the best way to screen illegals).
Vigorously prosecute any and all employers who hire illegals.
Build wall and increase border security.
Feverishly deport ALL illegals.
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