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Old 05-05-2018, 02:54 PM
 
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OMG. Not human. Not human. Shame on you.
Who isn't human? A person who rightly labels asylum abusing benefits shoppers for what they are? What are you talking about?

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1982 Plyler v Doe. REAGAN years, for the record. All children are entitled to a public education, regardless of citizenship or immigration status.
Legal entitlement doesn't make it right. No USA homeowners property taxes should go to educate a non-citizen. Property taxes are controversial, but that's straight up internationalist theft.
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Old 05-05-2018, 02:56 PM
 
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Displaced people of Syria boat over to Greece because that's their closest point of entry to a semi-safe country.
Turkey is more than "semi-safe". By definition, over-booked water journeys are not.
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Old 05-05-2018, 02:58 PM
 
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"we hate your racist country but we demand you let us in"
"Whitey is an evil monster, but don't you think about stopping us from living next to you".
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Old 05-05-2018, 03:06 PM
 
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The only thing that rushing he border for asylum will bring, internationally, is an eventual reshaping of asylum law to make it much more strict and conservative if if still exists at all for commoners.

That's literally the only outcome that this vast abuse of the system can bring, due to the political opposition that it foments.

People who appreciate the international asylum law on its legitimate merits should be most against what has occurred in Europe, and here on a smaller scale, as via abuse it politically threatens what was before a sane overture of humanitarianism.

And the liberal reaction to this will be to tell me that its not that bad, politically or otherwise. I'm here to tell you that it unequivocally is. See Brexit. See the election of Trump. See more to come.
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Old 05-05-2018, 04:12 PM
 
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Sure there is. Money solves all problems. The "not enough money" excuse has been used for decades, and in each case the cost, at that time, was a paltry amount compared to the long term costs were of letting them stay. In addition, inflation has always worked to reduce the cost in the historical long view. In other words, we could well justify spending the money and they would be successfully deported.
It is not just aa money problem thought that is an immense problem. Behind that you have the logistics which are more difficult than the money. ICE has trouble recruiting and training to maintain their present size. Now all they need to do is triple or quadruple in size. There goes a decade or more. Then presume they prevail and in another decade the illegals are down to a few 100,000. What do you do with all the people employed in the 4X ICE?

And let us presume after 5 or 6 years we begin to move into the neighborhoods to dig them out. What happens when the riots start and whole sections of major cities burn? And we end up with a few thousand dead...most Hispanic illegals but others too. And when the S hits the F who is going to separate the legals from the illegals? How do you avoid war with the entire lower end of the Hispanic demographic? Fact is you won't.

So ten years out you have reduced the illegal alien population ten percent and you have domestic unrest forcing the country into a recession or a depression. You think at that point the citizenry is going to continue to support the effort? Billions and billions of dollars. Dead in the streets. Open insurrection in some areas. Crashing economy. And all you got to do is continue it for another decade...sure you will.
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Old 05-05-2018, 04:26 PM
 
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The only thing that rushing he border for asylum will bring, internationally, is an eventual reshaping of asylum law to make it much more strict and conservative if if still exists at all for commoners.

That's literally the only outcome that this vast abuse of the system can bring, due to the political opposition that it foments.

People who appreciate the international asylum law on its legitimate merits should be most against what has occurred in Europe, and here on a smaller scale, as via abuse it politically threatens what was before a sane overture of humanitarianism.

And the liberal reaction to this will be to tell me that its not that bad, politically or otherwise. I'm here to tell you that it unequivocally is. See Brexit. See the election of Trump. See more to come.
Your post displays an utter lack of understanding of Brexit. Brexit had noting to do with Muslims or Asylum seekers. There were virtually none who made it to England. It was the Poles and the middle Europeans that are creating the xenophobia. They are perfectly legal European residents and will all likely stay and simply be absorbed. But the lower end of the English socioeconomic demographic hates them. It would be rather similar to the northern US deciding it does not like southern black people.

And at the moment much of the newer illegal aliens are not the Hispanic poor of the Americas. They are visa over stayers from all over.
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Old 05-05-2018, 05:59 PM
 
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Who isn't human? A person who rightly labels asylum abusing benefits shoppers for what they are? What are you talking about?



Legal entitlement doesn't make it right. No USA homeowners property taxes should go to educate a non-citizen. Property taxes are controversial, but that's straight up internationalist theft.
Per the bolded --- correct!


When students come to the US as exchange students, they have to pay tuition to the local public school system. It's absolutely galling that illegal aliens, who have no business being here, are getting free educations.

https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...c-schools.html

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Foreign students who want to attend public secondary school (high school) must pay the full cost of education. This amount is listed under "tuition" on the student's Form I-20. If the Form I-20 does not include the cost of tuition, the student must have a notarized statement, signed by the designated school official (DSO) who signed the Form I-20, stating the full cost of tuition and that the student paid the tuition in full. The full, unsubsidized per capita (for each student) cost of education is the cost of providing education to each student in the school district where the public school is located. Costs normally range between $3,000 and $10,000. The student secondary school cost reimbursement requirement is mandatory and school systems cannot waive the reimbursement requirement.

IMO, Plyler vs. Doe needs to be looked at again.
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Old 05-05-2018, 06:09 PM
 
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And who is it that is giving those illegals free college while Americans have to pay, can anyone guess.
Cash-strapped undocumented immigrants in Chicago flock to free community colleges
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Old 05-05-2018, 06:09 PM
 
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Per the bolded --- correct!


When students come to the US as exchange students, they have to pay tuition to the local public school system. It's absolutely galling that illegal aliens, who have no business being here, are getting free educations.

https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...c-schools.html

From the link:

Foreign students who want to attend public secondary school (high school) must pay the full cost of education. This amount is listed under "tuition" on the student's Form I-20. If the Form I-20 does not include the cost of tuition, the student must have a notarized statement, signed by the designated school official (DSO) who signed the Form I-20, stating the full cost of tuition and that the student paid the tuition in full. The full, unsubsidized per capita (for each student) cost of education is the cost of providing education to each student in the school district where the public school is located. Costs normally range between $3,000 and $10,000. The student secondary school cost reimbursement requirement is mandatory and school systems cannot waive the reimbursement requirement.

IMO, Plyler vs. Doe needs to be looked at again.
Public Educations is virtually all paid for by local taxes. So who should be able to use those facilities. How about the local tax payers? I suppose you could come up with a deal that says only those who pay enough taxes get free education...but that sounds like a tough sale. And educating most has long been a goal of government.

The above tends to talk about illegal aliens. But there are lots more legal ones. So should they be charged local taxes but not allowed to use the facilities paid for by those taxes?

Foreign students cited above are not local. That is an entirely different subject.
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Old 05-05-2018, 06:33 PM
 
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It is not just aa money problem thought that is an immense problem. Behind that you have the logistics which are more difficult than the money. ICE has trouble recruiting and training to maintain their present size. Now all they need to do is triple or quadruple in size. There goes a decade or more. Then presume they prevail and in another decade the illegals are down to a few 100,000. What do you do with all the people employed in the 4X ICE?

And let us presume after 5 or 6 years we begin to move into the neighborhoods to dig them out. What happens when the riots start and whole sections of major cities burn? And we end up with a few thousand dead...most Hispanic illegals but others too. And when the S hits the F who is going to separate the legals from the illegals? How do you avoid war with the entire lower end of the Hispanic demographic? Fact is you won't.

So ten years out you have reduced the illegal alien population ten percent and you have domestic unrest forcing the country into a recession or a depression. You think at that point the citizenry is going to continue to support the effort? Billions and billions of dollars. Dead in the streets. Open insurrection in some areas. Crashing economy. And all you got to do is continue it for another decade...sure you will.
The logistics aren't all that difficult. Start arresting and criminally charging anyone who hires an illegal and you will see them flocking back across the border once they can no longer find employment. It won't take many suburban housewives doing a perp walk on the nightly news for the rest of the suburbanites to stop hiring illegals to clean house, mow lawns etc. It won't take too many corporate CEO's doing a perp walk on the nightly news for businesses to stop hiring illegals.

In conjunction with the above, deny illegals any and all social services & entitlements, including education and much of the incentive to come to the US will go away.

They will self deport if we have the will to do these things.
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