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Old 05-05-2018, 06:48 PM
 
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The logistics aren't all that difficult. Start arresting and criminally charging anyone who hires an illegal and you will see them flocking back across the border once they can no longer find employment. It won't take many suburban housewives doing a perp walk on the nightly news for the rest of the suburbanites to stop hiring illegals to clean house, mow lawns etc. It won't take too many corporate CEO's doing a perp walk on the nightly news for businesses to stop hiring illegals.

In conjunction with the above, deny illegals any and all social services & entitlements, including education and much of the incentive to come to the US will go away.

They will self deport if we have the will to do these things.
Who is it does this arresting and criminally charging? Who jails these people. Who prosecutes them?

These are not illegal aliens. These are the people who hire them. And they will defend themselves strongly. So yes you can convict them...at a quarter million dollars each. So how much do you pay for the first a hundred thousand to prove you mean it? Try 2.5 billion dollars...and by the time you have spent it you have annoyed enough of the moneyed class that your political career has ended.

this all borders on insanity. The well off are not going to put up with hassling them over their yard workers. They have no idea whether they are legal or not and are not going to allow anyone to punish them over the question.

And it is not there problem. If they are not legal they should not be here. But that is not there problem. They are not employed by ICE or the Feds.

Get it straight. The Feds screwed it up. Why should individuals have to fix it?
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Old 05-05-2018, 09:05 PM
 
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It is not just aa money problem thought that is an immense problem. Behind that you have the logistics which are more difficult than the money. ICE has trouble recruiting and training to maintain their present size. Now all they need to do is triple or quadruple in size. There goes a decade or more.
All false. Completely made up hypotheticals. Money solves ALL of those problems.

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And let us presume after 5 or 6 years we begin to move into the neighborhoods to dig them out. What happens when the riots start and whole sections of major cities burn?
That won't happen.

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And we end up with a few thousand dead...most Hispanic illegals but others too.
More invented hypotheticals. And the cost is the cost. Statistically speaking, the population removed will kill more over the years than die due to removal.

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And when the S hits the F who is going to separate the legals from the illegals? How do you avoid war with the entire lower end of the Hispanic demographic? Fact is you won't.
We will. And the cost is the cost. You separate the legals from the illegals the same way we do now.

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So ten years out you have reduced the illegal alien population ten percent and you have domestic unrest forcing the country into a recession or a depression.
It will be reduced much more than that. And more invented hypotheticals.

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You think at that point the citizenry is going to continue to support the effort?
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Billions and billions of dollars. Dead in the streets. Open insurrection in some areas. Crashing economy. And all you got to do is continue it for another decade...sure you will.
LOL!

You seem to have a lot of emotion invested in allowing illegals to stay.
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Old 05-05-2018, 09:08 PM
 
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Your post displays an utter lack of understanding of Brexit. Brexit had noting to do with Muslims or Asylum seekers. There were virtually none who made it to England.
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It was the Poles and the middle Europeans that are creating the xenophobia.
Right. The flood of Syrians and Africans pouring into the EU had nothing to do with the successful vote to leave the EU. Also, you are pointing to a difference of no difference.
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Old 05-05-2018, 09:11 PM
 
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Who is it does this arresting and criminally charging? Who jails these people. Who prosecutes them?

These are not illegal aliens. These are the people who hire them. And they will defend themselves strongly. So yes you can convict them...at a quarter million dollars each. So how much do you pay for the first a hundred thousand to prove you mean it? Try 2.5 billion dollars...and by the time you have spent it you have annoyed enough of the moneyed class that your political career has ended.

this all borders on insanity. The well off are not going to put up with hassling them over their yard workers. They have no idea whether they are legal or not and are not going to allow anyone to punish them over the question.

And it is not there problem. If they are not legal they should not be here. But that is not there problem. They are not employed by ICE or the Feds.

Get it straight. The Feds screwed it up. Why should individuals have to fix it?
This "the problem is unfix-able" excuse goes back farther than you realize, and the ultimate justification was always rooted in cost. As it is now. And in retrospect, each time, the cost at the time was paltry. Spend the money. Do what is necessary. No more excuses.
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Old 05-05-2018, 09:19 PM
 
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Public Educations is virtually all paid for by local taxes. So who should be able to use those facilities. How about the local tax payers? I suppose you could come up with a deal that says only those who pay enough taxes get free education...but that sounds like a tough sale. And educating most has long been a goal of government.

The above tends to talk about illegal aliens. But there are lots more legal ones. So should they be charged local taxes but not allowed to use the facilities paid for by those taxes?
Tax money for local public schools by and large comes from local property taxes. Not sales tax, which is virtually the only tax illegals pay.

People who send their kids to local schools tend to choose their neighborhoods according to the best school district they can afford, no matter what that affordability is. They buy a home in that neighborhood and begin paying property taxes. This buys them a certain educational dollar ratio per student in terms of funding, and a certain teacher to student ratio.

Illegals, who do not pay property taxes, reduce the funding amount per student and increase the amount of students per teacher. Their funding comes from citizen property owners, not money that they pay in. This means that American citizens fund the education of Central Americans directly from their paychecks, in the form of property taxes.
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Old 05-06-2018, 04:49 AM
 
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Who is it does this arresting and criminally charging? Who jails these people. Who prosecutes them?

These are not illegal aliens. These are the people who hire them. And they will defend themselves strongly. So yes you can convict them...at a quarter million dollars each. So how much do you pay for the first a hundred thousand to prove you mean it? Try 2.5 billion dollars...and by the time you have spent it you have annoyed enough of the moneyed class that your political career has ended.

this all borders on insanity. The well off are not going to put up with hassling them over their yard workers. They have no idea whether they are legal or not and are not going to allow anyone to punish them over the question.

And it is not there problem. If they are not legal they should not be here. But that is not there problem. They are not employed by ICE or the Feds.

Get it straight. The Feds screwed it up. Why should individuals have to fix it?
No way would 100,000 people have to be arrested and jailed over hiring illegals. A small fraction of that will send the necessary message. Either we want the illegals to leave or we don't. My guess is that the majority want them to leave.
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Old 05-06-2018, 08:42 AM
 
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Tax money for local public schools by and large comes from local property taxes. Not sales tax, which is virtually the only tax illegals pay.

People who send their kids to local schools tend to choose their neighborhoods according to the best school district they can afford, no matter what that affordability is. They buy a home in that neighborhood and begin paying property taxes. This buys them a certain educational dollar ratio per student in terms of funding, and a certain teacher to student ratio.

Illegals, who do not pay property taxes, reduce the funding amount per student and increase the amount of students per teacher. Their funding comes from citizen property owners, not money that they pay in. This means that American citizens fund the education of Central Americans directly from their paychecks, in the form of property taxes.
Post is more silliness. About 30% of the illegals own their homes. And all residents pay property tax and sales tax. For renters it is in the rent.

And the better off pay for the education of the less well off. Regardless of immigration status.

And the vast majority of illegal alien children are US citizens.
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Old 05-06-2018, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Metro Washington DC
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We don't even need to arrest them. Send the IRS to enforce tax law on these businesses. That's all it would take. They can go after the illegals too.
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Old 05-06-2018, 05:20 PM
 
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And we all know Mexico's economy is enhanced by $22 billion annually because of remittances from illegals in the US to Mexico.

Yay, Laura Ingraham and Tucker Carlson, too.
is money they earned they can do what ever they want with it, legal immigrants send a lot of the money they earn to to their relatives too. when they take your money and send it to mexico then open your mouth and since is not your money they are sending just shut up.
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Old 05-06-2018, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Does anybody know what's happening at the border now? What happens to those whose applications are rejected? We are once again distracted discussing worn out arguments.
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