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Old 05-27-2018, 05:05 PM
 
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Not only that but these are not compelling "reasons" for providing shelter. Foreign nationals are NOT the responsibility of the American citizen, no matter what their complaint is...it has nothing to do with us.
We American citizens chose to take it on for some. And some of it is by International treaties to which we are a party. And even for those who are not so covered we offer certain services as due to all human beings. Does not prevent deportation however.
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Old 05-27-2018, 11:35 PM
 
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Remember that poverty and violent crime are NOT legitimate grounds for asylum under international law. Refugee status can only legally be granted if someone is targeted on the basis of their political affiliation, race, ethnicity, or religion. This illegal was a Hispanic in a Hispanic country and there's no way she can argue she was persecuted.

And if she in fact was targeted by the gangs back home, it must because either herself or close family or friends are engaged in organized crime/drug trafficking and these aren't the kinds of people we want here anyway.
They said she was trying to join her Illegal alien boyfriend already working here, THAT criminal needs to be apprehended, prosecuted and deported.
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Old 05-28-2018, 12:57 AM
 
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We American citizens chose to take it on for some. And some of it is by International treaties to which we are a party. And even for those who are not so covered we offer certain services as due to all human beings. Does not prevent deportation however.
American citizens have never chosen any such thing, ever.

International treaties that the government signed without OUR permission. Its OUR nation, not theirs.

Tell us, can you identify the part of the Constitution that authorizes the federal government to offer refuge to foreigners in OUR home?

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Old 05-28-2018, 08:52 AM
 
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American citizens have never chosen any such thing, ever.

International treaties that the government signed without OUR permission. Its OUR nation, not theirs.

Tell us, can you identify the part of the Constitution that authorizes the federal government to offer refuge to foreigners in OUR home?

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[The President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur...
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The Federal Government may also pass laws that deal with the treatment of aliens as part of its normal law making duties.

The Red Cross is a suitable charity.
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Old 05-28-2018, 05:26 PM
 
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Yes the boyfriend needs to be deported. We are NOT guilty of separating families. The families chose to separate themselves when they accepted the risks of illegal immigration.

Also in regards to another post I don't know of any international treaty we signed that obligates us to accept illegal aliens from Central America.
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Old 05-29-2018, 06:40 AM
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So, any plans to discuss the actual topic ? Or is this yet another thread that will turn into general patting each other on the back while exchanging general statements ?
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Old 05-30-2018, 11:14 PM
 
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We American citizens chose to take it on for some. And some of it is by International treaties to which we are a party. And even for those who are not so covered we offer certain services as due to all human beings. Does not prevent deportation however.
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[The President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur...
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The Federal Government may also pass laws that deal with the treatment of aliens as part of its normal law making duties.

The Red Cross is a suitable charity.
Yes, but anything anyone does can not exceed the powers granted to them/their office/their agency.

So all you have identified is the President and Congress can make treaties. But the Constitution is inviolate. One part of it cannot violate another part.

The process for amending the Constitution is also quite clear. Unless the Constitution is amended, the federal government has only the powers established in Article I, II, and III. It can not have new powers. No treaty can expand the powers the government has.
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