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Old 10-09-2018, 08:10 PM
 
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I think you should serve one year of HARD time for the first offense. If you come back in a second time, it's five years of hard time. The third time would get you twenty years.

No early release.

(I would give a slight break if you came into the country between at 18 or 19. No break if you're 20 and older).
No. Disaster. That's backwards.

I've been screaming for years, all we gotta do is go after employers with harsh fines. Go for the people at the top.

 
Old 10-09-2018, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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No.

This is where I part ways with Libertarian dogma.

Borders are the ultimate expression of property rights.
 
Old 10-09-2018, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Exactly.

And we want to emulate North Korea.
People are trying to break INTO North Korea? Really?
 
Old 10-09-2018, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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No.

This is where I part ways with Libertarian dogma.

Borders are the ultimate expression of property rights.
They sure are...private borders.

Only individuals have rights. Only individuals can rightfully own property.
 
Old 10-09-2018, 08:17 PM
Status: "I don't understand. But I don't care, so it works out." (set 2 days ago)
 
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To hell with Juan roofing your house. American citizen have a right to earning a living roofing American house in America. Juan is no better than a thief and a squatter.
I probably should have given you a little time to correct the 4 grammatical errors in your short post before quoting you, but I wanted to make a point. ;D All in fun.

2 generations ago, when roofs leaked, middle class men by and large got up on their roofs and patched them themselves, because it was too expensive to pay fellow citizens to do the job.

Then along came Juan, who could do it more cheaply so it was worth it to pay him rather than the homeowner doing it himself.

They're not so much putting citizens out of work. Rather, they're doing the work the homeowners would do for themselves except now it's cheaper to hire out.
 
Old 10-09-2018, 08:19 PM
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People are trying to break INTO North Korea? Really?
Read the Girl with 7 Names, a nonfiction current best seller. Yes, people are trying to break into North Korea to visit family. It doesn't go well.
 
Old 10-09-2018, 08:22 PM
 
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I probably should have given you a little time to correct the 4 grammatical errors in your short post before quoting you, but I wanted to make a point. ;D All in fun.

2 generations ago, when roofs leaked, middle class men by and large got up on their roofs and patched them themselves, because it was too expensive to pay fellow citizens to do the job.

Then along came Juan, who could do it more cheaply so it was worth it to pay him rather than the homeowner doing it himself.

They're not so much putting citizens out of work. Rather, they're doing the work the homeowners would do for themselves except now it's cheaper to hire out.
That's baloney. Illegals have practically put American roofers out of business.

Besides cheapness is not a defense for anything. That's the argument the Old South used to justify slavery. It's cheaper to steal than to pay the fair price.
 
Old 10-09-2018, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Caribou, Me.
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Really? You'd rather let out some felons so you can make room for Juan who wants to reroof your house?
As I said, Juan would rather go home than run the risk of one to twenty years.
But I'll play along: I sure WOULD release certain felons if it meant making room for illegals. (And anyways, don't Dems always insist that felons should be treated "nicer".....right to vote, etc)??
 
Old 10-09-2018, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Put them in work camps for wage-free corporate labor. It's already working well for our current prison population.
 
Old 10-09-2018, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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They sure are...private borders.

Only individuals have rights. Only individuals can rightfully own property.


Why?

Why can't a country collectively own it's property?

What's the difference between a citizen owning property and a Nation of citizens collectively owning property?
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