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Do you mind citing this because I haven’t heard of any restriction against it. Meanwhile I’ve heard that 30,000 women do it every year and in some cases it is organized. Russian women do it in South Florida and I believe there is a place in California where Chinese women do it.
Ohh yes. Go walk around South Coast Plaza in Costa Mesa, which is a favorite hangout for Chinese birth tourists. 50% of the shoppers are Chinese to begin with, and every other woman is about to pop.
Lets see here. Let's legalize all the illegals so they aren't illegal, therefor it fixes our illegal immigration problem. Does that about sum it up?
Then we can wait until we have 50 million new illegals to do it all over again. Sounds like a sage plan.
I don't see why anyone would even bother coming in legally when they can simply walk across.
I would think that outcome is highly unlikely. For instance there is no source of large numbers of people to our south. The Mexican demographic in fact indicates a flow out of the US to Mexico.
We should of course strongly enforce our immigration laws as soon as we have the illegal immigration population down to a reasonable number. Could we screw it up again? Possibly though again we do not have the forcing function in Mexico anymore.
It is however certain that things will not improve as long as we have 11 million illegal aliens embedded in our country.
So live with it or do something about the 11 million. And the only real choice is to legalize most.
I would think that outcome is highly unlikely. For instance there is no source of large numbers of people to our south. The Mexican demographic in fact indicates a flow out of the US to Mexico.
We should of course strongly enforce our immigration laws as soon as we have the illegal immigration population down to a reasonable number. Could we screw it up again? Possibly though again we do not have the forcing function in Mexico anymore.
It is however certain that things will not improve as long as we have 11 million illegal aliens embedded in our country.
So live with it or do something about the 11 million. And the only real choice is to legalize most.
Nope, best option is to do squat, or better yet, make life difficult for them so they leave.
Nope, best option is to do squat, or better yet, make life difficult for them so they leave.
That has been the approach for 30 years. See how well it worked?
There is no ability to make life really tough as the illegals are way too well established. You could i expect get them all upset and angry which could have all sorts of nasty outcomes.
But no they are not going to get up and leave and as long as they exist in some numbers they represent a fifth column providing support to newcomers.
Nope, best option is to do squat, or better yet, make life difficult for them so they leave.
Exactly, and how does legalizing them solve the problem.....they'd still be here! Just because we could then call them legal instead of illegal doesn't change that fact nor does it take their presence down to a reasonable number.....they'd still be here and we don't want nor need them here.
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It is however certain that things will not improve as long as we have 11 million illegal aliens embedded in our country.
So live with it or do something about the 11 million. And the only real choice is to legalize most.
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Nope, best option is to do squat, or better yet, make life difficult for them so they leave.
2008 recession remember that? No jobs, less migration. Great fix, yes? Life has been made more difficult for them and because of that --- they're not leaving.
The u.s. is not a fan of ...
Circular Migration
"And migrant workers can obtain the best of both worlds in that they can earn in high-income destinations and spend in low-cost origins." ---
“Rather than stopping undocumented Mexicans from coming to the U.S., greater enforcement stopped them from going home,” said Douglas Massey, one of the researchers and the Henry G. Bryant Professor of Sociology and Public Affairs at Princeton.
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“Greater enforcement raised the costs of undocumented border crossing, which required undocumented migrants to stay longer in the U.S. to make a trip profitable,” he said. “Greater enforcement also increased the risk of death and injury during border crossing. As the costs and risks rose, migrants naturally minimized border crossing — not by remaining in Mexico but by staying in the United States.”
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“Mass immigration from Mexico has ended and won’t be coming back owing to the decline of Mexican fertility from 6.5 children per woman in the 1960s to around 2.2 children per woman today, roughly replacement level,” Massey said. “Labor force growth in Mexico has dropped sharply and Mexico is now becoming an aging society in which fewer and fewer people are in the migration-prone ages of 15-30, so the pressure is off in a demographic sense.”
Most migration now is legal, Massey said, a situation that will continue so long as temporary work visas are matched with U.S. labor needs.
“The greatest need now is a path to legal status for the 11 million undocumented residents who are already here, who mostly have been here now for 15 years or more and increasingly have U.S. citizen children,” he said. “If we were to grant these people permanent legal status, many would actually return home, secure in the knowledge they could re-enter whenever they want.”
I would think that outcome is highly unlikely. For instance there is no source of large numbers of people to our south. The Mexican demographic in fact indicates a flow out of the US to Mexico.
We should of course strongly enforce our immigration laws as soon as we have the illegal immigration population down to a reasonable number. Could we screw it up again? Possibly though again we do not have the forcing function in Mexico anymore.
It is however certain that things will not improve as long as we have 11 million illegal aliens embedded in our country.
So live with it or do something about the 11 million. And the only real choice is to legalize most.
True, immigration to the US has been going down for the last two decades or so.
first, Latin america middle class has been expanding and economic opportunity in the US has been decreasing. Same for chinese and even african middle class.
Exactly, and how does legalizing them solve the problem.....they'd still be here! Just because we could then call them legal instead of illegal doesn't change that fact nor does it take their presence down to a reasonable number.....they'd still be here and we don't want nor need them here.
Legalizing them would be worse, because then they could legally apply to bring in family members from their home country!!! Keep them illegal!!
Legalizing them would be worse, because then they could legally apply to bring in family members from their home country!!! Keep them illegal!!
That is a question for the enabling legislation. And that determination is really a part of how we run our immigration system. And there is no reason we could not cut that off completely if we chose.
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