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Old 12-19-2006, 11:14 PM
 
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I agree that the Native Americans received a really raw deal...with you at least 200%. But why should the people who had nothing to do with that even in history suffer the consequences now? Besides, I was raised in Minnesota and a LOT of the Native Americans are being taken care of pretty well with the money from the casinos on the reservations...trust me.
Well, I'm from MN too, which is blue. Hmm, wondered what happened. I personally, hate casinos. I also understand the plight of Native Americans, which is very sad. The incidence of alcoholism is 90%. There is a reason for this. They've had alcohol in their culture for 300 years, unlike southern Europeans who have had alcohol in their culture for 7000 years. Darwinism will take care of this.

Oh and btw, what do you infer with the 200% remark? I happen to be 3/4 Swedish and 1/4 Norwegian, IOW, 100% Scandinavian. We would do well to learn a lesson from those countries. I still don't like to gamble and God Bless 'em if they've found a source of revenue that works for them.

Oops, my apologies as this wasn't directed at me. However, my points still stand.

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Old 12-19-2006, 11:24 PM
 
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The reality is that all these people coming over are mostly uneducated, poor, and speak no English.
I worked with a woman who was uneducated, poor, and spoke very little English -- AND SHE WAS HERE LEGALLY! She and her husband had lived in the USA for over 20 years. She worked for the company where I was hired in as her supervisor. She had worked for them for over 12 years. She showed me her paycheck once because there was a mistake in it and I noticed she was only making around $9 an hour. Her husband was also a hard worker and made slightly more than she did.

Tragedy struck when her husband had a stroke. Due to the high cost of medical and the fact that they both worked outrageous amounts of time each week, he had never had his blood pressure checked. After that, he was able to collect Social Security disability, but she became the primary breadwinner in the house.

They had three kids. Her oldest son was very smart and he eventually got a scholarship to attend college. Her middle daughter they couldn't afford so they sent her home to live with grandma in Mexico. The youngest daughter was also bright -- but she developed a potentially fatal illness and had to spend a lot of time at Children's Hospital. (The doctors there loved the daughter so much they took up a collection and bought her a compuer.)

I felt so sorry for this woman. Everytime I had the opportunity to offer overtime to someone, I usually gave it to her because I knew she really needed the money. I even did a totally dishonest thing but paid her on the clock while I insisted she go and see her son play a football game since she had never seen one and he was a big football star at his high school (and he was graduating that year so this was her last chance to watch him play).

She wanted to become an American citizen but she had no time to take classes. She spent 80+ hours a week working plus she had to take her daughter to numerous medical appointments. She was getting about 2 to 4 hours of sleep a night. Her life was so freaking hard that I don't think many of us would have survived it. Beyond the ordinary rent, food, gas bills, she was getting gigantic medical bills for both her husband and her daughter.

I didn't speak much Spanish and she didn't speak much English -- but she understood a lot of English. She never really had to learn a lot of English because she lived in a neighborhood where most people spoke Spanish. Then, at work, most people spoke Spanish too. Once she decided that she wanted to try and become an American citizen, I started trying to help her learn what she needed to know to take the citizenship tests.

Unlike a lot of other "management type people" I really cared about the people who worked for me. Fortunately, I'm not alone because a lot of people DO care what happens to these people. We don't want to see them "used and abused" by cheap owners and abusive upper management.

This particular company insisted that this woman and three others work on Christmas Day. This angered some of the men in another department so much that they took up a collection and were able to give these women $400 apiece to NOT work on Christmas. (The funniest part of this whole scenario is that the ringleader who raised the money was a Southern guy who used to call all the Hispanics "*******s" and "thieves" -- yet he had a heart of gold and loved them all.)

Anyway... I'm one of the people around here who is highly offended that everyone seems to think that if you don't speak English, you are illegal. Nothing could be further from the truth! And some of these people really bust their azzes to try and get ahead -- and it doesn't always help them get ahead.

On the California boards you read lots of tales of woe from those who have a hard time paying rent -- but how many work 80 hours a week? How many look for a second job? The company that I worked at that offered the 80 hour a week jobs had a hard time keeping white folks since most of them don't want to work 80 hours a week. They want to work 40, maybe 60 at most -- but you start throwing up 80 hours and they just don't want the jobs.

I'm sure some people will even question why a company would want to have people working 80 hours a week. Well, think about it. It's less insurance (because you are only insuring 1/2 the number of people you would need if everyone worked 40 hours a week). Workers comp costs are also lower. Financially, companies save money by having less workers but forcing them to work more hours.
 
Old 12-20-2006, 12:41 AM
 
Location: Navarre, Florida
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No, it's not too much to ask, and my biggest beef is with American women on AHCCCS, who run to the ER over a fever. I had my fair share of white women who had too many kids and abused the system. I dare say, there are a fair amount of shelter hoppers, usually Caucasian, and that drives me friggin nuts. BTW, I am Caucasian.
I can relate...I've also seen cacasians take advantage of the system...it happens a lot. Unfortunately, I've also seen probably even more people taking advantage of workman's comp...able to play tennis, golf, etc., yet collecting monthly checks because they are not physically able to work. I would love to be one of those insurance spies who catches people doing things like that!
 
Old 12-20-2006, 12:46 AM
 
Location: Navarre, Florida
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Well, I'm from MN too, which is blue. Hmm, wondered what happened. I personally, hate casinos. I also understand the plight of Native Americans, which is very sad. The incidence of alcoholism is 90%. There is a reason for this. They've had alcohol in their culture for 300 years, unlike southern Europeans who have had alcohol in their culture for 7000 years. Darwinism will take care of this.

Oh and btw, what do you infer with the 200% remark? I happen to be 3/4 Swedish and 1/4 Norwegian, IOW, 100% Scandinavian. We would do well to learn a lesson from those countries. I still don't like to gamble and God Bless 'em if they've found a source of revenue that works for them.

Oops, my apologies as this wasn't directed at me. However, my points still stand.
Movin'on: Sorry...don't really know what happened but wow...I really thought I was losing it! Anyway, what a small world...you and I actually have a lot in common. I'm also about 75% Norwegian, 25% Swedish and the rest is a French/English mix...please don't hate me for being French!! Anyway, I do agree with your thoughts on the Native American situation...which part of Minnesota are you from?
 
Old 12-20-2006, 12:53 AM
 
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Movin'on: Sorry...don't really know what happened but wow...I really thought I was losing it! Anyway, what a small world...you and I actually have a lot in common. I'm also about 75% Norwegian, 25% Swedish and the rest is a French/English mix...please don't hate me for being French!! Anyway, I do agree with your thoughts on the Native American situation...which part of Minnesota are you from?
Minneapolis in the west burbs, although my favorite parts are S. Minneapolis and uptown. I love Lake Calhoun and Lake of the Isles.
 
Old 12-20-2006, 01:11 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Do you even know any of these people and where do you live? I had this one undocumented woman who was abused. She thanked me PROFUSELY for any little thing I did for her. It was very sad, as all she wanted was clothes to wear. I get so tired of outsiders who don't know Jack **** commenting on this subject. Again, where do you live? Oh, and btw, she wanted a cleaning job and to get her own apartment, as sad as it was at contemplating having to leave her entire family -- no more, no less, she just wanted to leave her abuser, which in this case happened to be her son. She did return to her husband, as he was/is quadroplegic (sp) and had no one to take care of him. Egads and Yikes and the heartlessness combined with total stupidity and ignorance friggin amazes me.

Oh, you are from TN in the middle of nowhere and are qualified to comment on this issue. Again, I live in a BORDER STATE.


Just because you live in a border state don't make you no friggin expert on bottom feeders. I know all about CA,Az and Tx as they are border states. I've had to deal with many of the scavengers that you think so highly of over the years. We have more than our share of the bottom feeders here in the middle of nowhere.


What I would call stupidity and ignorant is people that help criminals stay in our country to drain our tax dollars from the AMERICAN working people. I've had to deal with many of these people over the the past 34 years, you friggin right I'm qualified to comment on the issue. My wife has to deal with these FREE LOADERS 5 days a week in her job as well. Maybe if you worked in Law Enforcement you would see these criminals through something other than rose colored glasses.


Do you stand behind all the crimes they commit in this country as well?
Rape,Robbery, Smuggling in drugs by the ton, just had 2 drug bust worth over $2 million recently, take a wild guess who was arrested... 7 MEXICANS smuggling drugs from Mexico. I'll bet these 7 guys are saints by your standards.
 
Old 12-20-2006, 01:21 AM
 
Location: Navarre, Florida
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Minneapolis in the west burbs, although my favorite parts are S. Minneapolis and uptown. I love Lake Calhoun and Lake of the Isles.
Sigh...I had a feeling that you would probably be from the Twin Cities area...most people that I meet from Minnesota usually are. I was raised in a small town called Battle Lake...about one hour from Fargo, ND.

Nice to meet a fellow "MinneSNOWtan"...sorry...it's late.
 
Old 12-20-2006, 05:53 AM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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Homeless will do anything they can, they are not picky!!! it doesnt matter if there are enough to fill all the jobs, the fact is to hire them FIRST.
That's a nice thought... but let's be honest, the majority would not be reliable and/or willing. I live in a city with one of the worst homelessness problems, so I'm quite aware of how their situations often are. It's not necessarily their "fault", since it is usually due to drug/substance abuse or severe mental illness (in fact, something like 75% of homeless are known to suffer from mental illnesses). I'd love to offer them all a job, but if they were that desperate to work, many of them would have already found something... it's probably still easier for them to get work than an undocumented citizen!

- I mean no disrespect by these comments... but I've done a lot of volunteer work with the homeless, and have lived around them for many years, so I'm not naive to how things are. Wish it were otherwise, but this is just the sad truth.
 
Old 12-20-2006, 05:57 AM
 
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Just because you live in a border state don't make you no friggin expert on bottom feeders. I know all about CA,Az and Tx as they are border states. I've had to deal with many of the scavengers that you think so highly of over the years. We have more than our share of the bottom feeders here in the middle of nowhere.


What I would call stupidity and ignorant is people that help criminals stay in our country to drain our tax dollars from the AMERICAN working people. I've had to deal with many of these people over the the past 34 years, you friggin right I'm qualified to comment on the issue. My wife has to deal with these FREE LOADERS 5 days a week in her job as well. Maybe if you worked in Law Enforcement you would see these criminals through something other than rose colored glasses.


Do you stand behind all the crimes they commit in this country as well?
Rape,Robbery, Smuggling in drugs by the ton, just had 2 drug bust worth over $2 million recently, take a wild guess who was arrested... 7 MEXICANS smuggling drugs from Mexico. I'll bet these 7 guys are saints by your standards.
Jim, I'm from NC....and while I realize that we are not a "border state" I think we are well able to address the problem with ILLEGALS. NC has made the news as being the destination of many ILLEGALS because they could get drivers' license which opened the door for them.....Don't have the figures at hand but the numbers of ILLEGALS and the cost to NC yearly is through the roof.
 
Old 12-20-2006, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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That's a nice thought... but let's be honest, the majority would not be reliable and/or willing. I live in a city with one of the worst homelessness problems, so I'm quite aware of how their situations often are. It's not necessarily their "fault", since it is usually due to drug/substance abuse or severe mental illness (in fact, something like 75% of homeless are known to suffer from mental illnesses). I'd love to offer them all a job, but if they were that desperate to work, many of them would have already found something... it's probably still easier for them to get work than an undocumented citizen!

- I mean no disrespect by these comments... but I've done a lot of volunteer work with the homeless, and have lived around them for many years, so I'm not naive to how things are. Wish it were otherwise, but this is just the sad truth.

Yes alot are there due to drugs and are unreliable. The ones we hired were young men that were just down on their luck and had families to take care of. Guess we lucked out, they worked for us for about 8 months or so then one found other work and the other went to school and got a night job.
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