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View Poll Results: Do you support or oppose Illegal Immigrant rights?
No. Illegal is illegal period! 181 81.53%
Yes. They are human too. 37 16.67%
No opinion. 4 1.80%
Voters: 222. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-16-2011, 03:12 PM
 
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Amending the Constitution is a daunting task. It virtually requires a concensus of most of the population to do it.

While there is a vocal group espousing a change to eliminate birth right citizenship it is not clear that they constitute even a majority of the population.

Such amendments go no where.
Never said it would be easy and it is only your opinion that an amendment like this would go nowhere. It is just wishful thinking on your part. I am willing to bet that most Americans would get behind such an amendment as they are fed up with illegal aliens and the costs to the taxpayers that their anchors incur.
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Old 02-16-2011, 04:06 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Never said it would be easy and it is only your opinion that an amendment like this would go nowhere. It is just wishful thinking on your part. I am willing to bet that most Americans would get behind such an amendment as they are fed up with illegal aliens and the costs to the taxpayers that their anchors incur.
And you are hopelessly incorrect. Try and put together the alternate you propose and that will be liked by most americans better than the one we have got.

Note that the resistance to any other form of birth citizenship will prove as contentious as this one. And you need an overwhelming concensus to make an amendment fly.

It is the sort of issue where some minority will torpedo whatever is proposed.

YOu might note the current thread on birth and paternity. Any resolution of that issue probably dooms an amendment.
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Old 02-16-2011, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Tempe, Az
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Never said it would be easy and it is only your opinion that an amendment like this would go nowhere. It is just wishful thinking on your part. I am willing to bet that most Americans would get behind such an amendment as they are fed up with illegal aliens and the costs to the taxpayers that their anchors incur.
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And you are hopelessly incorrect. Try and put together the alternate you propose and that will be liked by most americans better than the one we have got.

Note that the resistance to any other form of birth citizenship will prove as contentious as this one. And you need an overwhelming concensus to make an amendment fly.

It is the sort of issue where some minority will torpedo whatever is proposed.

YOu might note the current thread on birth and paternity. Any resolution of that issue probably dooms an amendment.
I agree with chicagonut.
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Old 02-16-2011, 05:46 PM
 
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And you are hopelessly incorrect. Try and put together the alternate you propose and that will be liked by most americans better than the one we have got.

Note that the resistance to any other form of birth citizenship will prove as contentious as this one. And you need an overwhelming concensus to make an amendment fly.

It is the sort of issue where some minority will torpedo whatever is proposed.

YOu might note the current thread on birth and paternity. Any resolution of that issue probably dooms an amendment.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained. The rest is your mere opinion. Why would some group of minority citizens torpedo this? Are you saying that they wouldn't have the best interests of this country in mind? How is this a minority issue anyway?
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Old 02-16-2011, 06:47 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Nothing ventured, nothing gained. The rest is your mere opinion. Why would some group of minority citizens torpedo this? Are you saying that they wouldn't have the best interests of this country in mind? How is this a minority issue anyway?
You really think that everyone will agree that the Father must be married to the mother?

See the Equal Rights Amendment. What could be better for America than giving our female half an equal shot...right...sure...

You are either hopelessly biased past reality or utterly naive.
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Old 02-16-2011, 07:15 PM
 
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You really think that everyone will agree that the Father must be married to the mother?

See the Equal Rights Amendment. What could be better for America than giving our female half an equal shot...right...sure...

You are either hopelessly biased past reality or utterly naive.
And you continue with your personal attacks in here in spite of the forum rules. Bye, bye.
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Old 02-16-2011, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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Unlike some countries, the USA law only recognises married couples for the purposes of legal immigration, so it's not that far a stretch to think birthright citizenship should be only afforded to those children of married couples (eta: if one happens to be an illegal alien)

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Old 02-16-2011, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Indiana
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My relatives came here legally via Ellis Island at the express invitation of the American government. They were checked for infectious disease and warned they'd better learn English. As one was a furrier and the other a skilled tombstone maker they were, like many immigrants of the time, more skilled than many Americans of the time. They left behind a government that would have killed them for their religious beliefs and relatives who were later murdered in concentration camps by the Nazis.

Once here they were denied any form of social services. No medical acces. No bilingual Yiddish education. No food stamps. No interpreters. No section 8 housing. If they were unable to make it here they faced deportation as a public charge. The doors were later shut and they were told no more immigrants. None of my relatives snuck in here after being told not to by the elected American government.

Can we have those laws back again?

kay, thanx.
talk to the democrats, they are the one who dont want to enforce the laws.
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Old 02-16-2011, 09:29 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Unlike some countries, the USA law only recognises married couples for the purposes of legal immigration, so it's not that far a stretch to think birthright citizenship should be only afforded to those children of married couples.
US law often has a tie to what was...

But when you get to amendments you are in the world of what is...

Marriage is only one of a dozen of issues that would have to be successfully put to bed before it passes.

And it won't even start in the existing legislature or anything close.
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Old 02-17-2011, 04:45 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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talk to the democrats, they are the one who dont want to enforce the laws.
How conveniently we forget/forgive 16 years of administrations since Reagan that had all the opportunity and resources to deal with this problem...
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