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Some of the misstatements about this child's journey to the United States indicate the posters didn't do much homework. She came with her father, not her mother, who remained at home, and she was not "abandoned in the desert" but remained with her father until she was separated from him by American officials.
It appears that Jackalin either didn't receive immediate assessment of her physical condition, or if she received any examination at all, it was cursory and clearly inadequate, considering that she died in a matter of hours. It is still unclear what sort of examination - if any - such illegal immigrants typically receive when they arrive. It is clear that she was separated from her father.
Jackalin does not appear to have been offered food or water once taken into American custody, which I find unconscionable, given her circumstances and the desert in which she and her father were encountered. This child and her father did not speak English or Spanish - they spoke a dialect of the Mayan language. It is unclear if any American border officials spoke this language, or how they may have tried to communicate with Jackalin and her father.
Whether or not her father's choice to take his child on foot to the United States was the right thing to do or not (it clearly was not), those who are minimizing the worth of a child's - any child's - life, and terming this little girl (whom they obviously didn't know and know very little about) a "brat" are demonstrating their own heartlessness and total lack of empathy. How cold. How inhumane.
Jackalin's death was an unnecessary tragedy. Her father must have been absolutely desperate to expose his child to such danger. Just how dangerous was their homeland, to make such a terrible journey with a small child? Did her father understand the difficulties such a journey would entail?
I do not support illegal immigration. But some things transcend the law - and the life of a child is one of them. It is quite possible to reject illegal immigration, and still grieve for little Jackalin, who was the innocent victim of the adults around her.
There is plenty of blame to go around for the loss of this precious child, and our government's decisions about how its laws are enforced should certainly be questioned, along with the bad judgment demonstrated by her mother and father.
Regardless of where the greatest fault lies, this is a tragedy, and using Jackalin's death to make political hay is disgusting.
Some of the misstatements about this child's journey to the United States indicate the posters didn't do much homework. She came with her father, not her mother, who remained at home, and she was not "abandoned in the desert" but remained with her father until she was separated from him by American officials.
It appears that Jackalin either didn't receive immediate assessment of her physical condition, or if she received any examination at all, it was cursory and clearly inadequate, considering that she died in a matter of hours. It is still unclear what sort of examination - if any - such illegal immigrants typically receive when they arrive. It is clear that she was separated from her father.
Jackalin does not appear to have been offered food or water once taken into American custody, which I find unconscionable, given her circumstances and the desert in which she and her father were encountered. This child and her father did not speak English or Spanish - they spoke a dialect of the Mayan language. It is unclear if any American border officials spoke this language, or how they may have tried to communicate with Jackalin and her father.
Whether or not her father's choice to take his child on foot to the United States was the right thing to do or not (it clearly was not), those who are minimizing the worth of a child's - any child's - life, and terming this little girl (whom they obviously didn't know and know very little about) a "brat" are demonstrating their own heartlessness and total lack of empathy. How cold. How inhumane.
Jackalin's death was an unnecessary tragedy. Her father must have been absolutely desperate to expose his child to such danger. Just how dangerous was their homeland, to make such a terrible journey with a small child? Did her father understand the difficulties such a journey would entail?
I do not support illegal immigration. But some things transcend the law - and the life of a child is one of them. It is quite possible to reject illegal immigration, and still grieve for little Jackalin, who was the innocent victim of the adults around her.
There is plenty of blame to go around for the loss of this precious child, and our government's decisions about how its laws are enforced should certainly be questioned, along with the bad judgment demonstrated by her mother and father.
Regardless of where the greatest fault lies, this is a tragedy, and using Jackalin's death to make political hay is disgusting.
The Border Patrol asked the father if his daughter was in good health and not suffering from any problems and he said yes and also signed a statement to that fact. So he must have been able to communicate with the Border Patrol in order to do that.
The only reason she was separated from her father was to transport her by helicopter to a hospital after she started to vomit, run a fever and had breathing problems.
There is no evidence that she wasn't offered water, etc. when taken into custody or if that was the right course of action based on her symptoms. You are making a lot of assumptions that have not been proven yet.
Most of us aren't thrilled over this girl's death. It's very sad. All we are saying is that it's not right to hint at blame on the part of the Border Patrol without knowing the facts. They are trained in what they do. I blame the father mostly as we know for sure what he did. People need to stop coming here making bogus claims for asylum and risking their lives to do so. The father admitted that he was coming here for a better economic life but that's not a legal claim for asylum. Only 10% of asylum cases are approved based on the past because most of the claims aren't based on persecution in their own countries which is the only viable claim but wanting more economic opportunity here. Well that's a legal immigration process not an asylum one.
What is wrong with YOU?? Honestly, most children are annoying and not that appealing to others (especially to non-family members). Some people always love every single child, but realistically children are very irritating and "brats" with all their crying and dirty diapers.
And I think that the point was that this Guatemalan baby isn't worth $60 million dollars in compensation to the family. No baby or any other human is worth $60 million dollars, not when there are almost 8 BILLION humans on this planet!! Babies and human adults are not some rare occurrence and the parents of that Guatemalan toddler will surely be making many more babies that they can't afford to raise.
And it's extremely f*cked up that these parents would agree to that sort of price tag on their dead baby.
The wall can't go up fast enough to keep out this nonsense.
Why are you pretending to be a humanist when you are the exact opposite?
A (dead) child doesn't become a brat simply because children "don't appeal" to you. That's moronic.
Some of the misstatements about this child's journey to the United States indicate the posters didn't do much homework. She came with her father, not her mother, who remained at home, and she was not "abandoned in the desert" but remained with her father until she was separated from him by American officials.
Speaking of not doing homework... you didn't even bother to open the link, did you?
Why are you pretending to be a humanist when you are the exact opposite?
A (dead) child doesn't become a brat simply because children "don't appeal" to you. That's moronic.
No. You are the one who doesn't know what a humanist is. I don't believe in a god or in heaven. It's about humans making their own way and not relying on a god to help them out.
And out of all the billions of people who have ever lived, there has only been on Albert Einstein or Stephen Hawking. Odds are that none of the offspring of these Central American migrants would ever amount to becoming an Albert Einstein or finding a cure for cancer. And yes, it's much more likely that this dead toddler would have grown up to be an adult having a job in the restaurant or hotel industry. And there is no shame in that, as working in the States washing dishes pays many thousands of US dollars a year more than she would ever have made had she stayed in her village in Guatemala.
Again, the outrage is that the parents and lawyers think that her life was worth $60 million dollars and will now proceed to cost US taxpayers tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees... and all because the father decided to make this illegal journey up to our border with his 7 year old daughter.
And yes, I do believe that the parents chose to sacrifice this daughter in order to gain entry into the US. As her father traveling alone would have be quickly deported. But with a young child, they thought that bleeding heart Americans would allow the two of them in, feeling sorry for his daughter. And their home village is so poor that if they were given $100, they could be "rich" in that village and life off of that money for a year, so again a $60 million dollar ask is outrageous.
And it makes no sense otherwise. After all, the father can't speak Spanish well and no English at all. And if he were to find work in the US, who would be looking after his 7 year old daughter while he was at work? They had no other family or friends in the States. Once in the States, she would have been a huge burden on him as he would have had to been both breadwinner and caregiver. Had she been left with strangers, she would have been vulnerable to child predators.
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What it means to be a humanist?
In the Renaissance, a scholar who studied the languages and cultures of ancient Greece and Rome; today, a scholar of the humanities. The term secular humanist is applied to someone who concentrates on human activities and possibilities, usually downplaying or denying the importance of God and a life after death.
I am a descendent of a family who were originally poor Scots-Irish tenant farmers, who also came to the United States "uninvited". They did not remain tenant farmers, once given opportunities, but after much hard work and some unexpected hardships as well as some good luck, became solid members of the upper middle class, and within one generation, saw some of their children become mayors, and others marry into prominent families including those of presidential candidates. One actually married a presidential candidate. Others became published writers, scientists, teachers, and doctors.
I am very thankful my brave ancestors left County Derry for very successful lives in America.
You have no way of knowing what this little girl might have done in the future which was denied her.
I assume that your ancestors didn't sneak in here by swimming across the Atlantic/sarcasm. My guess is that they arrived here by boat, were processed and allowed to stay. To compare what happened 100 years ago (or more) to what is happening today is irrelevant. Immigration laws were different back then.
Today, legal immigrants are the ones who are "invited" in the sense that they applied to come here and obeyed our immigration laws, then patiently awaited their turn to come here.
Illegal aliens are not "invited" to come here and are not wanted. They, no matter where in the world they come from, have no business being here. Period.
Some of the misstatements about this child's journey to the United States indicate the posters didn't do much homework. She came with her father, not her mother, who remained at home, and she was not "abandoned in the desert" but remained with her father until she was separated from him by American officials.
It appears that Jackalin either didn't receive immediate assessment of her physical condition, or if she received any examination at all, it was cursory and clearly inadequate, considering that she died in a matter of hours. It is still unclear what sort of examination - if any - such illegal immigrants typically receive when they arrive. It is clear that she was separated from her father.
So are you saying that her father could have prevented her dying? Is he a trained medical professional? Why do you not find fault that her father took her on a long hike in the desert without food or water supplies?
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Jackalin does not appear to have been offered food or water once taken into American custody, which I find unconscionable, given her circumstances and the desert in which she and her father were encountered.
Since when is border patrol suppose to carry water and food supplies with them for over a hundred wandering migrants that they *might* encounter? Are you thinking that border patrol is some sort of combination of "welcome wagon" and "EMT"?? Of course not. And no border patrol unit in any country is a combination of welcome committee, food truck and medical unit.
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This child and her father did not speak English or Spanish - they spoke a dialect of the Mayan language. It is unclear if any American border officials spoke this language, or how they may have tried to communicate with Jackalin and her father.
Of course no one in the border patrol spoke their Mayan dialect. Do YOU know anyone familiar with that language? You are nuts for thinking that they might speak it or be required to know it.
One of my high school friends went to Harvard and was a linguist, he knew 13 languages and ancient Mayan wasn't one of them.
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Whether or not her father's choice to take his child on foot to the United States was the right thing to do or not (it clearly was not), those who are minimizing the worth of a child's - any child's - life, and terming this little girl (whom they obviously didn't know and know very little about) a "brat" are demonstrating their own heartlessness and total lack of empathy. How cold. How inhumane.
Stop with your bleeding heart emotions. This thread is all about this frivolous lawsuit asking for $60 million dollars from American taxpayers who didn't want them to make that journey at all.
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Jackalin's death was an unnecessary tragedy. Her father must have been absolutely desperate to expose his child to such danger. Just how dangerous was their homeland, to make such a terrible journey with a small child? Did her father understand the difficulties such a journey would entail?
Of course the father had no idea of the perils of the journey. He just stupidly thought it was a good idea to find work in the US, even though he spoke no Spanish or English. And growing up in such a primitive setting who knows if he even knew what life in the US was like.
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I do not support illegal immigration. But some things transcend the law - and the life of a child is one of them. It is quite possible to reject illegal immigration, and still grieve for little Jackalin, who was the innocent victim of the adults around her.
Go ahead and YOU grieve for the child. But it doesn't mean that the parents have any grounds for suing our government.
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There is plenty of blame to go around for the loss of this precious child, and our government's decisions about how its laws are enforced should certainly be questioned, along with the bad judgment demonstrated by her mother and father.
Yes there is plenty of blame but it's not the border patrol's fault or our government's laws. ALL countries have borders and immigration policies. The UK and Canadian governments would also have denied them permission to immigrate. And the same goes for all the European countries, Australia, China and other Asian countries. Migrating for purely economic reasons of poverty is not a valid reason to enter any country.
And their village may be poor as in lacking money, but so are the indigenous village people living in the Amazon rain forest. So they can't afford to buy a car or have an iPhone, but they don't need them. And if they want to better themselves, they can start by learning to speak and write the Spanish language well.
And what was the father going to do for work in the US if he can't communicate with anyone here, and without money, education or job skills? And what about childcare for his daughter? He wouldn't have been able to function well in Mexico.
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Regardless of where the greatest fault lies, this is a tragedy, and using Jackalin's death to make political hay is disgusting.
We are not making political hay, we just think that it is utter nonsense that her parents think they deserve any MONEY for the death of their child. It is disgusting that they have monetized their daughter's death and put such a outrageous price tag on it.
No. You are the one who doesn't know what a humanist is. I don't believe in a god or in heaven. It's about humans making their own way and not relying on a god to help them out.
And out of all the billions of people who have ever lived, there has only been on Albert Einstein or Stephen Hawking. Odds are that none of the offspring of these Central American migrants would ever amount to becoming an Albert Einstein or finding a cure for cancer. And yes, it's much more likely that this dead toddler would have grown up to be an adult having a job in the restaurant or hotel industry. And there is no shame in that, as working in the States washing dishes pays many thousands of US dollars a year more than she would ever have made had she stayed in her village in Guatemala.
Again, the outrage is that the parents and lawyers think that her life was worth $60 million dollars and will now proceed to cost US taxpayers tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees... and all because the father decided to make this illegal journey up to our border with his 7 year old daughter.
And yes, I do believe that the parents chose to sacrifice this daughter in order to gain entry into the US. As her father traveling alone would have be quickly deported. But with a young child, they thought that bleeding heart Americans would allow the two of them in, feeling sorry for his daughter. And their home village is so poor that if they were given $100, they could be "rich" in that village and life off of that money for a year, so again a $60 million dollar ask is outrageous.
And it makes no sense otherwise. After all, the father can't speak Spanish well and no English at all. And if he were to find work in the US, who would be looking after his 7 year old daughter while he was at work? They had no other family or friends in the States. Once in the States, she would have been a huge burden on him as he would have had to been both breadwinner and caregiver. Had she been left with strangers, she would have been vulnerable to child predators.
A seven year old is not a "toddler". You reveal your utter lack of knowledge about children by describing Jackalin as one. Toddlers are small children who are just starting to walk, or "toddle".
Seven year olds are not toddlers.
But since you admit that you have nothing but dislike and disdain for children anyway, your inaccurate use of this term is not surprising.
A seven year old is not a "toddler". You reveal your utter lack of knowledge about children by terming her this.
READ. THE. LINK.
All of you people carrying on about the 7-year-old need to actually read the story. Y'all are talking about a completely different incident.
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