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Old 01-16-2019, 04:19 PM
 
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Though what’s more stupid, is how the Trump administration is oblivious to the fact that shutting down the government would lead to the opposite effect. Not only you will not get an extra wall over the existing fence by not paying government workers, not paying those who help guard the borders daily is an insult that would ultimately lead the border to become a wide open free for all. Than the caravaners would have won.
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Old 01-16-2019, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Trump also refuses to recognize that physical barriers are not particularly effective in situations like this. The news is full of reports of tunnels that have been dug under the border, often emerging inside homes on the American side. A wall will not stop tunnels from being dug. It also will not stop immigrants who enter the country by methods of mass transportation. There are stretches of border where a wall cannot practically be built. And what happens when you reach the ocean? Just walk around it. Stop the flow of drugs? Not likely. Drones can fly their cargo right over any physical wall. Most of those come in by truck, plane or boat anyway, none of which would be stopped by a wall.

There is considerable technology that could be put to use in controlling illegal influx of immigrants that could be deployed for far less than would be spent building a physical wall.

Current reports are that "wall" was a metaphor used by Trump's handlers during the campaign to remind him to focus on illegal immigration. It was apparently never intended to imply that an actual wall should be built. However, Trump being the less-than-genius that he is took it literally, and now it has become a campaign promise that his equally non-thinking base is insisting upon building. The promise that Mexico would pay for it - which was never justified to make - has apparently been pushed aside in favor of us paying for it.

If any country should be building a border wall, it's Canada.
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Old 01-16-2019, 06:56 PM
 
Location: The 719
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First off, any barrier can be defeated. Steel can be cut. Ladders can be erected etc. Spending $6B, probably $10B with typical cost overruns in government projects of taxpayer money that can be used for smarter immigration reform is just ridiculously stupid in my view.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/imm...-sawed-n956856

Here is another idea..

streamline the asylum process to prevent abuse of the system - hire more judges, speed up credible fear hearings etc.

create a computerized system to monitor visa overstays...it is absolutely unbelievable how antiquated the current system is that is can't even proactively track overstays. Most illegals came on a plane not through the border.

everify! The system is already in place, mandate that it be used nationwide - Federal mandate.

fight to STOP this sanctuary city nonsense initiated by the Democrats.

The wall is a weak solution and it's not going to do much to solve the illegal immigration problem.
If Trump would start deporting democrats, Mexico would build the Wall for us.
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Old 01-16-2019, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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The vast majority of illegal immigration just over stay their visa they don't climb over walls they drive though the port of entry.

In 2014, about 4.5 million US residents, or 42 percent of the total undocumented population, were overstays.
The 2,000 Mile Wall in Search of a Purpose: Since 2007 Visa Overstays have Outnumbered Undocumented Border Crossers by a Half Million - The Center for Migration Studies of New York (CMS)
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Old 01-16-2019, 08:45 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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In bold above? Visas, is that not a guess worker program?..........
Guest worker, you are trying to say. No. It really isn't.
You cannot come in to America on a tourist visa and then go to work. You must have a work visa. And not very many of those are given out.
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Old 01-16-2019, 08:52 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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The vast majority of illegal immigration just over stay their visa they don't climb over walls they drive though the port of entry.................
Your "study" arrived at its slanted figures by counting the number of overstays. It assumed none of them ever went home. So even if you are 1 day late in leaving, the study assumed you were still here.
Visa overstays were never discussed when Democrats wanted a wall. And that's because visa overstays are not a factor. And the reason they are not a factor is one of common sense. If you overstay your visa you will have to pay whatever penalty when you try to leave. And you will not be allowed in for as many as 10 years.
Still think we are full of visa overstays?
Build The Wall.
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Old 01-16-2019, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Your "study" arrived at its slanted figures by counting the number of overstays. It assumed none of them ever went home. So even if you are 1 day late in leaving, the study assumed you were still here.
Visa overstays were never discussed when Democrats wanted a wall. And that's because visa overstays are not a factor. And the reason they are not a factor is one of common sense. If you overstay your visa you will have to pay whatever penalty when you try to leave. And you will not be allowed in for as many as 10 years.
Still think we are full of visa overstays?
Build The Wall.
This is well known information nothing new it's the easiest way to get in. The illegals I knew that's who they got here they told me. If they ever get caught they just sneak back across but since they were already established here it was lot easier to come here the first time with a visa.

Just a few weeks ago a co-worker was telling me they hosted a family who was part of those caravans. INS dropped them off at some church he belongs to they were headed to Texas. I asked him if they had to check in with anyone they said once they got back in INS had no idea where they went. If you think a wall is going to solve anything your wrong. Until the 14th amendment, and crackdown on illegal owned business's, and workers is dealt with walls won't stop anyone. GOP won't pass any laws or fix the 14th amendment because they like having illegal labor cleaning their yards, and homes. Rich people don't pay for illegals we do middle class who foots the bill for welfare to their children. Rich people don't pay any employment tax they use tax loopholes to pay effective tax rates of 12-13%.
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Old 01-17-2019, 01:21 AM
 
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The Trump administration seems to be unintentionally disbanding their human wall that is currently helping to keep caravan people at bay. The human wall formed by border patrol with shields and tear gas at times.
They worked hard to keep caravaners from crossing north yet instead of being rewarded they are insulted by being forced to do it without pay because the government had been shut down. Dont the administration realize if they quit there would be nothing stopping the caravaners from crossing?

Though I do believe with the number of cross border killings that escape justice due to lack of cooperation between the two countries justice systems we should add bullet proof barriers to the existing fence to avoid exchange of stray bullets and transfer of contraband across the gaps in the Fence. The fence should also be hooked back to make it harder to climb over the top.
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Old 01-17-2019, 03:39 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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also they come in through legal ports of entry ... rails and aircraft ... and interesting enough, u.s. families that live on the southern side of the boarder wall, will have to ask government permission to come and go from their property.

if people can petition to speak before congress and potus, they ought to give that a whirl.
So citizens living in another country ie the southern side of the wall? Welcome to the club of all of us who reside in another country..
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Old 01-17-2019, 06:10 AM
 
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First off, any barrier can be defeated. Steel can be cut. Ladders can be erected etc. Spending $6B, probably $10B with typical cost overruns in government projects of taxpayer money that can be used for smarter immigration reform is just ridiculously stupid in my view.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/imm...-sawed-n956856

Here is another idea..

streamline the asylum process to prevent abuse of the system - hire more judges, speed up credible fear hearings etc.

create a computerized system to monitor visa overstays...it is absolutely unbelievable how antiquated the current system is that is can't even proactively track overstays. Most illegals came on a plane not through the border.

everify! The system is already in place, mandate that it be used nationwide - Federal mandate.

fight to STOP this sanctuary city nonsense initiated by the Democrats.

The wall is a weak solution and it's not going to do much to solve the illegal immigration problem.

It will be CHEAPER to build a wall then to continue to do what we are doing now.


NOTHING is perfect BUT, existing well built walls HAVE had a tremendous impact on the the lowering DRAMATICALLY the number of illegals in those areas.



Walls


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