Jamiel Shaw will be Laid to Rest Today (illegal, Mexican, weapon)

[sassyone]

To some people, this country would not have ANY problems except for Illegals.

[Kele]

Originally Posted by JesusisLord

What does illegal immigration have to do with his death? Black and Latino gangs and their back and forth racism are the problem here.

Did you even read anything about this incident?

This young man was a star athelete witha GPA that was nothing to sneeze at. He was intelligent. articulate, and had a bright future ahead of him. He was NOT a gang member and had nothing to do with that sort of street mentality.

He was killed three doors down from his home because of the color of his skin, and the man who killed him had been out of jail for less than 48 hours. His killer was an illegal alien gang member who had been jailed three previous times on weapons charges and his immigration status was never questioned.

That this person was allowed to be released to prey on the citizens of Los Angeles rather than being immediately deported after the first arrest is an outrage--that he was released after four arrests is unbelievably and tragically horrendous.

As an illegal alien apologist, you may have no problem with this sort of behavior as being the status quo for Los Angeles--but those of us who realize that Jamiel Shaw could have been any American's child, are justifiably incensed and heartsick over the wanton cavalier attitude of some who insist that because citizens commit crimes in this country, it is no big whoop when illegal aliens do the same.

I bet you'd be singing a different tune if Jamiel Shaw had been your child.

[Mach50]

It is both Kele, the problem of Hispanic and Black crime in L.A. goes back a long time.

Will throwing all illegals out really help this problem? I would bet marginally.

So you see we have many problems in this country, what people are doing is trying to put the illegal face as a facade to what the real problem is. It is true, illegals adding to the mix don't help, but don't sit there and say this could have been avoided, the kid lives in L.A.

If he would have gotten killed by a Black, Asian or White kid I doubt you would have heard about it.

What is ROOT of the problem for this? I'll expect the canned response "You see Mach50 we have our own problems we don't need illegals adding to it"...which is true but also a copout.

[Kele]

Originally Posted by Mach50

It is both Kele, the problem of Hispanic and Black crime in L.A. goes back a long time.

Will throwing all illegals out really help this problem? I would bet marginally.

So you see we have many problems in this country, what people are doing is trying to put the illegal face as a facade to what the real problem is. It is true, illegals adding to the mix don't help, but don't sit there and say this could have been avoided, the kid lives in L.A. if he would have gotten killed by a Black, Asian or White kid I doubt you would have heard about it.

I know alot of people who live in Compton and South Central. They are afraid for their lives and it's not the Black on Black violence, White on Black violence, or Asian on Black violence that they fear. They fear the Hispanic gangs, who they tell me, are trying to exterminate their presence from their formerly African American neighborhoods. There are about 500 Sureño Hispanic gangs in Los Angeles County representing over 50% of the gang memberbership. If you factor in gangs which are primarily white, black, or asian--that still leaves the Hispanic gangs in the majority and entire communities living in fear.

Considering L.A.'s sanctuary city status, what percentage of the 500 Sureño Hispanic gang membership is composed of illegal aliens?

Personally, I don't know, but I do know that if they were not in this country, law enforcement's job would suddenly become a bit more manageable.

[Mach50]

Originally Posted by Kele

I know alot of people who live in Compton and South Central. They are afraid for their lives and it's not the Black on Black violence, White on Black violence, or Asian on Black violence that they fear. They fear the Hispanic gangs. There are about 500 Sureño Hispanic gangs in Los Angeles County representing over 50% of the gang memberbership. If you factor in gangs which are primarily white, black, or asian--that still leaves the Hispanic gangs in the majority and entire communities living in fear.

Considering L.A.'s sanctuary city status, what percentage of the 500 Sureño Hispanic gang membership is composed of illegal aliens?

Personally, I don't know, but I do know that if they were not in this country, law enforcement's job would suddenly become a bit more manageable.

So is the problem in L.A. Special Order 40 or the fact the Police themselves are scared to fight gang violence? They simply won't go into the neighborhoods and do the job.

I agree it would be more manageable to throw out illegals, but it is a band-aid on the real problem which is LAPD won't police these areas.

[Benicar]

I will never understand the mindset of illegal alien apologists. Rather than admit that ALL illegal alien violent criminals should be apprehended, deported, and prevented from returning -- all we hear are excuses to justify their behavior.

Does the fact that we have U.S. citizens who are violent criminals rationalize permitting their foreign national counterparts unfettered access to our country to wreak havoc? Why don’t we just allow all criminals from throughout the world into our country? After all, we already have loads of criminals –- a few million more won’t make a difference.

If your house was infested with rodents, would you ignore the problem and simply allow more rodents to have free reign, or would you exterminate?

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by Benicar

I will never understand the mindset of illegal alien apologists. Rather than admit that ALL illegal alien violent criminals should be apprehended, deported, and prevented from returning -- all we hear are excuses to justify their behavior.

Does the fact that we have U.S. citizens who are violent criminals rationalize permitting their foreign national counterparts unfettered access to our country to wreak havoc? Why don’t we just allow all criminals from throughout the world into our country? After all, we already have loads of criminals –- a few million more won’t make a difference.

If your house was infested with rodents, would you ignore the problem and simply allow more rodents to have free reign, or would you exterminate?

Yes on all counts.........and, I will leave it at that to keep the peace.

Side question here:

Does it seem to those people whose ears are 'close to the ground' that Black on Black killings have declined dramatically in the last 5 years?

Yes; I know about cesspools like New Orleans, etc. but all in all there appears to be a tremendous drop overall.

[blacknight04]

Originally Posted by Benicar

I will never understand the mindset of illegal alien apologists. Rather than admit that ALL illegal alien violent criminals should be apprehended, deported, and prevented from returning -- all we hear are excuses to justify their behavior.

Does the fact that we have U.S. citizens who are violent criminals rationalize permitting their foreign national counterparts unfettered access to our country to wreak havoc? Why don’t we just allow all criminals from throughout the world into our country? After all, we already have loads of criminals –- a few million more won’t make a difference.

If your house was infested with rodents, would you ignore the problem and simply allow more rodents to have free reign, or would you exterminate?

Here we go again with the fact twisting. We can all agree that violent illegal immigrant criminals should be punished and deported But to say ALL illegal immigrants are killers , gangmembers etc is not true. Now do you get it? I doubt it.

Btw, read through the thread and point out any member who defended the gang member from being deported.

[Preaching2thechoir]

Originally Posted by blacknight04

Here we go again with the fact twisting. We can all agree that violent illegal immigrant criminals should be punished and deported But to say ALL illegal immigrants are killers , gangmembers etc is not true. Now do you get it? I doubt it.

Btw, read through the thread and point out any member who defended the gang member from being deported.

No here we go again with the usual suspects (of which you are consistently one of) twisting words to suit your needs. At the end of the day those of your raza that you defend so adamantly that are here ILLEGALLY NEED TO LEAVE YESTERDAY. Whether they came here to work or not is beside the point. Whether illegal entry is a felony or not is beside the point.

We, as in rational, sane, law abiding, tax paying AMERICANS don't give a rats' ass why they are here, what laws any of you think are unfair to them and why you perpetually make excuses for their culturally imbedded, perpetually crime commiting asses, what part of ILLEGAL don't you understand? Why don't you ever acknowledge the fact that if these leeches weren't here the odds are 999999999 in a zillion those who have died at the hands of an illegal alien would still be alive and we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

At the end of the day thousands of Americans are dying at the hands of illegal aliens primarily from Mexico and South America. Guess what? if they weren't here "looking for a better life" those who have died unnecessarily would still be alive.

Don't bother responding I can already hear yet another one of your lame side bar excuses being regurgitated in order to justify the unjustifiable.

[Kele]

Originally Posted by Mach50

So is the problem in L.A. Special Order 40 or the fact the Police themselves are scared to fight gang violence? They simply won't go into the neighborhoods and do the job.

I agree it would be more manageable to throw out illegals, but it is a band-aid on the real problem which is LAPD won't police these areas.

Of course they won't. They are outnumbered 50 to 1. Their weaponry is likely inferior to most gang accumulated caches. Would you risk your life in that type of situation when you have neither the support of your mayor, the support of your police chief or the appreciation of those you serve?

I surely wouldn't.