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Old 03-04-2019, 03:10 PM
 
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LOL, on the idea of a terrorists being afraid of a slightly more risky crossing. LOL

Taking a boat ain't all that risky. If he is a terrorist he is well funded at that. He could afford better than what people come here from Cuba on.
Why should they need to come in illegally and risk getting caught. All they have to do is invest 500K in a depressed area and they get a free pass. Those Saudis have a ton of money.
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Old 03-05-2019, 08:52 AM
 
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Enforcement. It all boils down to that.
It would if e-verify was even reasonably accurate. It isn't. When illegal aliens are vetted via e-verify, it has a 54% failure rate.
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Old 03-09-2019, 10:01 AM
 
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All this talk about the wall funding is really getting on my nerves. Simply because the wall is totally, absolutely unnecessary. If Trump and the Republicans were actually serious about illegal immigration, they could end it tomorrow. Yes, tomorrow. How? Make E-Verify mandatory for every single job hire, coupled with sky-high fines for violators. Overnight, millions of illegals would be thrown out of work. They'd have no choice but to go home of their own accord. And nobody in their right mind would bother coming over illegally, since there would be no jobs to be had, unless you were a citizen or had a valid work permit.

So, why won't they do this? It's a system which has proven to be highly effective and would require no time at all to implement. Maybe the whole wall thing is just smoke and mirrors to score votes in the next election? Sigh.
Because people make money off illegals. They underpay them relative to what they would have to pay a citizen.

You as a tax payer then make up the difference by providing welfare so that the family of the underpaid worker can live. Of course, being paid in cash, under the table, or just setting the number of dependents really high gets you essentially tax free money. So double win for the illegals - and taxpayers are once more asked to pony up.

It's a rip off from both sides. Wages have been depressed since illegal immigrants have come in in large numbers in the 1980's.

It's our century's abolition issue - have a two tiered wage system or have one system where citizens are treated fairly.
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Old 03-14-2019, 01:18 PM
 
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Illegal immigration problems would be over in this country if we did 2 things.

1. Change the 14th amendment which allows for anyone born on US soil is automatically a citizen. No other country in the world allows this. It's ridiculous and abused extensively by poor who come illegally and wealthy who fly here to have their kids story on wealthy Chinese who come to the US.

2. Make E-verify mandatory for all business's who hire, and sub-contract. It won't fix 100% of the problem but it will solve about 90% of the problem. Most business's can't deal in cash I'm talking about large business they have to give someone a check over $600 has to be reported to the IRS. If the company is owned by illegals they can't produce a EIN from the IRS.

The illegal sub contractors and workers coupled with the anchor baby issues is what is causing 95% of the problem.

What would this solve
1. Deficit would go down tax could be reduced all the money going to welfare for millions of kids being born here by illegals. 2014, 63 percent of households headed by a non-citizen reported that they used at least one welfare program, compared to 35 percent of native-headed households. https://cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen...lfare-Programs

2. Immigration courts would not be overflowing with illegals claiming asylum real cases of people fleeing terrible situations have their cases looked at by judges instead of waiting years.

3. Walls would not have to be built because the much less flow of illegals will allow for proper response from border patrol to the few who do cross that will be smuggling drugs. Now they are overloaded are spread thin to respond we have the technology now to find movement along our borders. Concrete walls is old way of thinking doesn't really work anyway.

4. Guest worker system could be setup to allow workers from Mexico and their families to legally come here to live and work that way our economy less affected.

5. Our own citizens will be able to find jobs companies say they have to raise prices if they hire legal workers no they have to cut back on profits. I get quotes from contractors their prices are outrageous $1000 an hour in some cases they use illegal labor owner drives around 80k pickup truck. I'm happy to pay little more for things put Americans back to work.

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Old 03-19-2019, 06:53 AM
 
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Illegal immigration problems would be over in this country if we did 2 things.

1. Change the 14th amendment which allows for anyone born on US soil is automatically a citizen. No other country in the world allows this. It's ridiculous and abused extensively by poor who come illegally and wealthy who fly here to have their kids story on wealthy Chinese who come to the US.

2. Make E-verify mandatory for all business's who hire, and sub-contract. It won't fix 100% of the problem but it will solve about 90% of the problem.
Nope. E-Verify, by it's own admission, only flags 46% of illegal aliens as unauthorized to work in the US. I've posted the USCIS link many times.
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Old 03-19-2019, 08:16 AM
 
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Illegal immigration problems would be over in this country if we did 2 things.

1. Change the 14th amendment which allows for anyone born on US soil is automatically a citizen. No other country in the world allows this. It's ridiculous and abused extensively by poor who come illegally and wealthy who fly here to have their kids story on wealthy Chinese who come to the US.

2. Make E-verify mandatory for all business's who hire, and sub-contract. It won't fix 100% of the problem but it will solve about 90% of the problem. Most business's can't deal in cash I'm talking about large business they have to give someone a check over $600 has to be reported to the IRS. If the company is owned by illegals they can't produce a EIN from the IRS.

The illegal sub contractors and workers coupled with the anchor baby issues is what is causing 95% of the problem.

What would this solve
1. Deficit would go down tax could be reduced all the money going to welfare for millions of kids being born here by illegals. 2014, 63 percent of households headed by a non-citizen reported that they used at least one welfare program, compared to 35 percent of native-headed households. https://cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen...lfare-Programs

2. Immigration courts would not be overflowing with illegals claiming asylum real cases of people fleeing terrible situations have their cases looked at by judges instead of waiting years.

3. Walls would not have to be built because the much less flow of illegals will allow for proper response from border patrol to the few who do cross that will be smuggling drugs. Now they are overloaded are spread thin to respond we have the technology now to find movement along our borders. Concrete walls is old way of thinking doesn't really work anyway.

4. Guest worker system could be setup to allow workers from Mexico and their families to legally come here to live and work that way our economy less affected.

5. Our own citizens will be able to find jobs companies say they have to raise prices if they hire legal workers no they have to cut back on profits. I get quotes from contractors their prices are outrageous $1000 an hour in some cases they use illegal labor owner drives around 80k pickup truck. I'm happy to pay little more for things put Americans back to work.
I agree with some of your solutions but we still need good physical barriers to prevent illegals getting in here to work for cash and to deter criminals and terrorists from getting into our country.

We don't need any more guest worker programs to accomodate Mexicans or any other poor foreigners and their families they end up being a burden to our country. We have plenty of Americans to do any jobs for a fair wage in our country. We don't need the added population growth either which depletes our natural and social resources and creates overcrowded conditions in our schools, neighborhoods and roads.
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Old 03-19-2019, 01:13 PM
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Riddle me this - Why isn't E-Verify mandatory?

It should be.
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Old 03-19-2019, 07:37 PM
 
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Riddle me this - Why isn't E-Verify mandatory?

It should be.
The last time it was presented to congress by the Republicans it was voted down by the Democrats. Trump has it in his 2019 budget but I'm sure it's the obstructionist Democrats that have made sure it didn't get passed along with little to no funds for the wall.
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Old 03-20-2019, 08:29 AM
 
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The last time it was presented to congress by the Republicans it was voted down by the Democrats. Trump has it in his 2019 budget but I'm sure it's the obstructionist Democrats that have made sure it didn't get passed along with little to no funds for the wall.
It was in his 2017 budget, his 2018 budget, and now 2019 budget. When will it be passed?
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Old 03-21-2019, 01:21 AM
 
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The last time it was presented to congress by the Republicans it was voted down by the Democrats. Trump has it in his 2019 budget but I'm sure it's the obstructionist Democrats that have made sure it didn't get passed along with little to no funds for the wall.
Your talking about the House bill which was voted down had 25 billion for wall which we don't need.

E-Verify has been around since 1996 mandating E-Verify has never been a stand alone bill lobbyist such as the US chamber of commerce have worked hard to keep E-Verify from ever becoming mandatory. Large business's who pay lobbyist like the chamber of commerce want to keep it the way it is, so they can continue to use illegal labor.

Quick check on US chamber of commerce website search "U.S. Chamber Lawsuit Challenges Massive Extension of E-Verify Program to Federal Contractors" https://www.uschamber.com/press-rele...al-contractors

This is just one example of their work fighting E-verify

Some good information about E-verify how Arizona made it mandatory saw a 33% drop in illegal labor
https://www.dailyherald.com/business...al-immigration
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