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Old 02-13-2019, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Dangling from a mooses antlers
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I donít think most are paid under the table. You can work with an ITIN or fake SS number easily. Businesses know about this but donít care. They also are worried about liabilities if one of the illegals gets hurt. I believe if that happens, they are protected from deportation.
Good gosh! I can take you around to thousands of job sites around the country where these illegals are getting paid in cash. This has been going on for decades.
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Old 02-13-2019, 08:10 PM
 
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No solution is 100%. e-verify would get rid of a huge swath of the illegals. To supplement it I'd say we prosecute anyone who gets caught paying illegals under the table. No matter to me if its a suburban soccer Mom trying to get her house cleaned on the cheap. A few of them doing the perp walk on the nightly news and folks would get the message.



My State doesn't have much in the way of illegals and somehow houses get cleaned, lawns get mowed, dishes get cleaned at restaurants etc. All you have to do is pay a living wage to an American and it gets done.
E-verify would get rid of the illegals that work at McDonalds and Taco Bell. You just think your state doesnt have illegals. That's cause your ignorant of the facts.
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Old 02-13-2019, 08:29 PM
 
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I donít think most are paid under the table. You can work with an ITIN or fake SS number easily. Businesses know about this but donít care. They also are worried about liabilities if one of the illegals gets hurt. I believe if that happens, they are protected from deportation.

You cannot get on a payroll with an ITIN number you have to have a SS number.
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Old 02-13-2019, 11:35 PM
 
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good question
why do the democrats push against e-verify are every turn??
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They could also stop illegal immigration just by prosecuting employers who hire illegals.
Although I do believe we need both of these AND a wall, illegals use stolen identities (papeles chuecos). Everify won't stop those and you're unfairly punishing the employer in those cases of they didn't know.

How many Democrats will vote for everify and the punishment when they don't get enough GOP votes?
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Old Yesterday, 06:12 AM
 
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E-verify would get rid of the illegals that work at McDonalds and Taco Bell. You just think your state doesnt have illegals. That's cause your ignorant of the facts.
No. I live in Vermont where it is estimated there are fewer than 5,000 illegals. Our demographics are vastly different than most of the country. Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, & Native Americans combined only come to 5% of the population. The population is primarily rural. There are no large cities. Our agricultural sector is primarily small family farms without hired help. There is no population growth here and thus no large scale construction presence. Most homes that get built are one off custom homes. Under what we call Act 250, State regulation makes housing subdivisions and shopping plaza type construction projects a rarity. We just don't have much here that attracts illegals to other parts of the country.
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Old Yesterday, 07:25 AM
 
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If somehow mandatory e-verify and heavy fines and jail time for violators were ever enacted what would it take to have it rescinded or just not followed, like previous immigration laws?
Unlike illegal immigrants, legitimate businesses have a lot to lose and would not put their business in danger if employer sanctions became a reality.

They could do random raids like they have been doing, but instead of going after the illegals themselves, go after the employers with heavy fines. After the threat became real, most businesses would not take the risk of hiring illegal immigrants.
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Old Yesterday, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Cumberland Co., TN
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Unlike illegal immigrants, legitimate businesses have a lot to lose and would not put their business in danger if employer sanctions became a reality.

They could do random raids like they have been doing, but instead of going after the illegals themselves, go after the employers with heavy fines. After the threat became real, most businesses would not take the risk of hiring illegal immigrants.
I agree but the question was what is going to happen when the next administration rescinds the law or merely chose to ignore it. Then your right back where you were.
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Old Yesterday, 11:53 AM
 
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good question




why do the democrats push against e-verify are every turn??
Yeah, no. Republicans killed the last effort not that long ago.
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Old Yesterday, 12:33 PM
 
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Mandatory E-verify is useless, those that do not want illegals working for them already use it.
Those that like to hire illegals will just pay cash.
Having illegals working with somebody else's papers generates billions in income for the government as those funds are never claimed.


Simple as that.

"The most recent IRS data, from 2015, shows that the agency received 4.4 million income tax returns from workers who don’t have Social Security numbers, which includes a large number of undocumented immigrants. That year, they paid $23.6 billion in income taxes. That doesn’t even include workers who paid taxes with fake Social Security numbers on their W-2 forms, which is also common." -- if you count those the total amount could easily triple.
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Old Yesterday, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Cumberland Co., TN
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Mandatory E-verify is useless, those that do not want illegals working for them already use it.
Those that like to hire illegals will just pay cash.
Having illegals working with somebody else's papers generates billions in income for the government as those funds are never claimed.


Simple as that.
Not all employers can pay cash. For instance Purdue. E-verify would make it more difficult to hire illegal workers.

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"The most recent IRS data, from 2015, shows that the agency received 4.4 million income tax returns from workers who donít have Social Security numbers, which includes a large number of undocumented immigrants. That year, they paid $23.6 billion in income taxes. That doesnít even include workers who paid taxes with fake Social Security numbers on their W-2 forms, which is also common." -- if you count those the total amount could easily triple.
The majority of those filing taxes with an ITIN are working here legally but are not eligible for a SS#. It is estimated (but they dont document) that half of working illegals file a tax return. According to IRS data (2010) 72% of ITIN filers claimed child tax credits and received cash payments (tax refunds).
https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/j...ceived-refunds
https://www.treasury.gov/tigta/audit...01141061fr.pdf
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