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Old 02-28-2019, 11:56 PM
 
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Occupations of unauthorized immigrant workers

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Although unauthorized immigrants made up 5% of the nation’s civilian workforce in 2014, they accounted for a much higher share (26%) of the workers in farming occupations. Unauthorized immigrants also were 15% of workers in construction jobs in 2014. U.S.-born workers accounted for a majority of workers in all major occupation groups, including 54% of the farming workforce in 2014 and 73% of the construction workforce. Only in construction jobs and farming jobs do unauthorized immigrant workers outnumber lawful immigrant workers (15% vs. 12%, and 26% vs. 20%). (See the table here for data on workers’ status by major occupation.)
Funny, the argument over the prospect of losing cheap or free labor has essentially been the same for Democrats.

Democrats in 1865: "But who is going to pick our cotton?"

Democrats in 2019: "But who is going to pick our grapes?"

Both arguments would subject people to continued exploitation and abuse for the sake of comfort for the elite (indeed, while the argument to this end with slavery is clear, employers are also exploiting illegal immigrants today, as they know they can get away with paying them less and having terrible working conditions for them as they are less likely to complain for fear of being deported).

As was the case in 1865, Americans can and are willing to work what some would call "bad" jobs. They just have to be treated with respect and paid right. Even today, most farm workers are US citizens, and only 26% are illegal immigrants, completely destroying the narrative from the left (and establishment Republicans) that the farming economy will fail without US labor.
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Old 03-01-2019, 12:35 AM
 
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Occupations of unauthorized immigrant workers



Funny, the argument over the prospect of losing cheap or free labor has essentially been the same for Democrats.

Democrats in 1865: "But who is going to pick our cotton?"

Democrats in 2019: "But who is going to pick our grapes?"

Both arguments would subject people to continued exploitation and abuse for the sake of comfort for the elite (indeed, while the argument to this end with slavery is clear, employers are also exploiting illegal immigrants today, as they know they can get away with paying them less and having terrible working conditions for them as they are less likely to complain for fear of being deported).

As was the case in 1865, Americans can and are willing to work what some would call "bad" jobs. They just have to be treated with respect and paid right. Even today, most farm workers are US citizens, and only 26% are illegal immigrants, completely destroying the narrative from the left (and establishment Republicans) that the farming economy will fail without US labor.
1865? Those are the Republicans of today. They lost, And , they are still lazy. Cant earn an honest days work themselves because historically their fortunes were built by another. They have to lie and cheat and exploit human beings. Still.
Trump has acres of laborers caged , waiting for the boys to turn to men and release them to the farmers he promised $$$$$$$ profits too.

Why would a living wage be paid to anyone , when they can get it for practically free. Said Republicans of today and Yesterday. It s as close as they can get to owning slaves...and then just enjoy the fruits of someone elses labor.

Trump is the King of that Party.
He either pays dirt wages or pays not at all. Slave owner profile if their ever was one.
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Old 03-01-2019, 12:36 AM
 
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1865? Those are the Republicans of today. They lost, And , they are still lazy. Cant earn an honest days work themselves because historically their fortunes were built by another. They have to lie and cheat and exploit human beings. Still.
Trump has acres of laborers caged , waiting for the boys to turn to men and release them to the farmers he promised $$$$$$$ profits too.

Why would a living wage be paid to anyone , when they can get it for practically free. Said Republicans of today and Yesterday. It s as close as they can get to owning slaves...and then just enjoy the fruits of someone elses labor.

Trump is the King of that Party.
He either pays dirt wages or pays not at all. Slave owner profile if their ever was one.
Another myth told by the left, and one that I've also debunked many times on this site.
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Old 03-01-2019, 03:26 AM
 
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....... destroying the narrative from the left (and establishment Republicans)
Nobody is doing anything about this. Nobody is addressing this issue. Your attempt to provide cover is one example as to why.
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Old 03-01-2019, 05:56 AM
 
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There are unlimited visas for legal, foreign farm workers so there is no reason for the growers to hire illegal aliens. The members of both parties are guilty of doing so however to increase their profits. Rumor has it that Nancy Pelosi used them in her vineyards. This isn't just a GOP thing and there is no proof that Trump has ever "knowingly" had illegal aliens working for him. Let's have some honesty here.
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Old 03-01-2019, 07:37 AM
 
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I grew up in a farming community and I know it is true that most Americans do not want to work on a farm. It is hard, dirty work with long hours. We need immigrants to work the fields for the most part, but we should not be employing illegal labor to do so. Not only does that practice undercut wages for the entire industry, but it allows large-scale employers to exploit the illegal aliens themselves.

It is nonsensical to allow the system to continue as it is. We need an orderly system of immigration whereby unskilled laborers can legally work in this country and receive the benefits they deserve for such work.
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Old 03-01-2019, 08:22 AM
 
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I grew up in a farming community and I know it is true that most Americans do not want to work on a farm. It is hard, dirty work with long hours. We need immigrants to work the fields for the most part, but we should not be employing illegal labor to do so. Not only does that practice undercut wages for the entire industry, but it allows large-scale employers to exploit the illegal aliens themselves.

It is nonsensical to allow the system to continue as it is. We need an orderly system of immigration whereby unskilled laborers can legally work in this country and receive the benefits they deserve for such work.

We already have unlimited visas for legal, foreign workers to do farm work.
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Old 03-01-2019, 09:06 AM
 
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We already have unlimited visas for legal, foreign workers to do farm work.
Then we need enforcement of the current law in that regards.
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Old 03-01-2019, 06:56 PM
 
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The regurgitated comments about enforcing law is irrelevant in our country. We have a defacto entrenched extralegal system completely shielded from significant interference.

I suppose rule of law only ever mattered in this country in order to avoid distress of capitalism, the elite class and to avoid anything more than mild levels of anarchy.
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Old 03-01-2019, 09:07 PM
 
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Occupations of unauthorized immigrant workers



Funny, the argument over the prospect of losing cheap or free labor has essentially been the same for Democrats.

Democrats in 1865: "But who is going to pick our cotton?"

Democrats in 2019: "But who is going to pick our grapes?"

Both arguments would subject people to continued exploitation and abuse for the sake of comfort for the elite (indeed, while the argument to this end with slavery is clear, employers are also exploiting illegal immigrants today, as they know they can get away with paying them less and having terrible working conditions for them as they are less likely to complain for fear of being deported).

As was the case in 1865, Americans can and are willing to work what some would call "bad" jobs. They just have to be treated with respect and paid right. Even today, most farm workers are US citizens, and only 26% are illegal immigrants, completely destroying the narrative from the left (and establishment Republicans) that the farming economy will fail without US labor.
The natives who are farm workers tend to be wheat, corn, soybean and other large-scale crop farmers. These aren't the same people picking apples and almonds, who do tend to be immigrants. It's a case of machine-harvesting vs hand-harvesting. The crops that can be harvested by machine (again, like wheat, corn, etc) are going to be mostly if not entirely native labor. The more labor-intensive, hand-picking types of crops are going to be mostly immigrant labor. I should note the latter has been dominated by immigrant labor for well over 100 years.
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