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Old 03-09-2019, 05:18 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Cape Cod Todd View Post
Trump is trying to do something about it but the Dems are blocking it all and the Reps are so wishy washy they couldn't agree on much when they did have both the Senate and the House. I think Paul Ryan and his like were nervous to tackle the illegal immigration problem because like most politicians he was more concerned about his job down the line.



We are losing the country and the Dems are making it happen by refusing to do anything at the border.

I can only imagine that they are taking the Pro illegal immigration stance because Trump is against it and once he is gone they will smarten up and do something. Obama just 5 years ago gave a speech about the problems at the border and other top Dems agreed that we had a problem and something had to be done so what has changed? They refuse to give Trump a perceived win that his supporters can carry to the voting booth. They are doing this without a concern that it is harming America.



I really feel bad for the people that stood in line and paid their dues to immigrate legally when the Dems are embracing the Illegal aliens with such zeal.



Oh well America as we know and love it has had a good run and the Dems have told us that they want to fundamentally change it and this is part of the plan.

"I can only imagine that they are taking the Pro illegal immigration stance because Trump is against it"


BINGO!, we have winner.


When obama was president the dems voted FOR the building of "walls", We have video of shumer and pelosii and obama speaking out in SUPPORT of walls and how effective they are.
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Old 03-09-2019, 05:28 AM
 
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I'm a Democrat--left of liberal, actually--and I concur that the Democrats are ignoring and being dishonest about a very real and intensifying problem at our southern border. But if we're going to be honest, honesty applies to both sides: Donald Trump is not interested in containing immigration; he's interested in getting re-elected by drumming up racist fear in his base, which is how he got elected the first time--Southern Strategy all the way, on all pistons. On every level, Trump is a massive failure as a President and a profound danger and embarrassment to this nation. Just because he's right (for the wrong reasons) about the border emergency is no reason to ignore the fact that he has a long, shady past, has treated people abominably, cheated people, lied on a daily basis, and probably broken American law (we shall see about the last).

In any case:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...ican-migrants/

Also, scroll down to "The Emergency is Real": How Should We Talk About the Israel Lobby
"But if we're going to be honest, honesty applies to both sides"

I agree.

" Donald Trump is not interested in containing immigration"
It was one of his TOP ISSUES when running the 1st TIME for president and has been his no. 1 issue ever since.

"he's interested in getting re-elected" as are MOST politicians.

"by drumming up racist fear in his base"

There is NOTHING RACILY in trying to tighten up our southern border.

It is the LEFT who makes EVERYTHING they can about race.

"On every level, Trump is a massive failure as a President and a profound danger and embarrassment to this nation'

And YOU have the NERVE to talk about being "honest"! As they say, "you FIRST"!
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Old 03-09-2019, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I work where I see reality of what is going on at the southern border.
Location: Charleston, SC

Yeah, right.

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It is a crisis! Thousands of illegals are coming with children and being allowed to enter illegally through ports of entry.
No they aren't.
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I believe there were close to 75,000 illegals in one or two months entering the southern border! Under current policy (which must change) illegals are allowed to enter with a child with them. Yes, freely enter the U.S with a pending hearing with an Immigration Judge for themselves and the children too. This is creating a enormous burden on the interior ICE Officers. It can't continue something is going to give...
Even re-entries (reinstatements), which have been deported before, are being allowed to enter through Ports of Entry with children. It's a travesty.
The ones seeking asylum are held while they're being checked out. Once they've been cleared and have a sponsor (usually a family member living here legally) that sponsor pays for transporting them and they're allowed to travel to meet them.

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The only people that seem to know what really is going on is President Trump and those others that have visited the southern Border. I can't understand why our political leaders don't see this or want to see this reality. They fight the President when he is only stating the truth and the facts. We do have a crisis and something needs to be done soon.
Those of us living on the border know that tRump and his pearl-clutching followers don't have a clue. But Fox News and hate radio sure do keep them up and barking.

The border with Mexico is more secure than it's ever been.

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We currently have open borders, sadly. ICE is overwhelmed. The policy on immigration must , must change.
True, a rational policy needs to be adopted and the sooner, the better.

tRump's wall? Ain't gonna happen.

There are better options.

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Old 03-11-2019, 06:28 AM
 
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Once again, many believe the motives of the Democrats is not authentic because I for one have yet to hear any coherent argument as to how this is not a crisis.

On the other hand, you will hear many Democrats say they are not for open borders, yet we have not heard one detail from them as to how they would solve the problem.

To many of us, if they were serious about this issue, they would present some ideas of their own. If they think a wall is unhelpful, it isn't enough to be against the wall. They must present some ideas in order to get people to support them. If they were able to articulate a real plan and real solutions on the border, along with their economic message, they would win overwhelmingly in many elections, including 2020.

However, given that they fail to present a coherent argument, many will not consider them as an option. Bernie is the only one that I am aware of, who in the past has correctly stated that borders and the nation-state are essential to protecting the American worker.
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Old 03-11-2019, 03:49 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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There is no honesty in claiming that Trump isn't interested in securing our southern border and you have no proof of that whatsoever. What racist fear? The issue of illegal immigration is not race based at all. These are just the usual Trump smearing, race card pulling unwarranted remarks by the left.
^ This

I know someone who was here illegally from Canada and another from S Africa. Both white.
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Old 03-11-2019, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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There is no honesty in claiming that Trump isn't interested in securing our southern border and you have no proof of that whatsoever. What racist fear? The issue of illegal immigration is not race based at all. These are just the usual Trump smearing, race card pulling unwarranted remarks by the left.



I had some wine and cheese with a woman last night that is Anti Trump. She can't stand him. We tried to avoid politics in our conversation but it eventually came around and she said Trump is a racist and I asked her why when he has people of colour working in all of his business's and for decades he has been friends with black celebrities and there is photos to prove it. She said he is racist because he wants to build a wall. I said that is not racism just an example that he wants to enforce immigration laws. We moved on to a different topic after agreeing that there are problems with both parties.





The crisis at the border is real and I don't know what it is going to take for the Dems to wake up about it.

I think they are against a wall for the sheer fact that Trump is for it and they do not want to give him a perceived win that his supporters can carry to the polls.





Here is an analogy. If you are sitting in a boat and water starts coming in through a hole do you start bailing or do you try to plug the hole and then get to bailing.

The border is the biggest hole that needs to be plugged before we can turn to bailing out the country to send illegal aliens and Visa overstays home.



It is such basic common sense if we want to hold onto the America we know and love.



I wonder if the Dems will wake up if 1 Million people form a caravan and march from Venezuela to our border and claim asylum?
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Old 03-17-2019, 03:08 PM
 
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Until someone from the Democratic Socialistic Party is directly
effected by the actions of an Illegal Alien nothing is going to change
This is the truth. . . however, I'm sure they'd have them removed from their neighborhood asap. Their motto is: "Not on my block!"

Pelosi et al, stay in their home behind walls to protect them; as far as the rest of the United States, they could care less.
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Old 03-17-2019, 11:29 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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The crisis at the border is a hoax.
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Old 03-18-2019, 03:50 AM
 
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I work where I see reality of what is going on at the southern border. It is a crisis! Thousands of illegals are coming with children and being allowed to enter illegally through ports of entry. I believe there were close to 75,000 illegals in one or two months entering the southern border! Under current policy (which must change) illegals are allowed to enter with a child with them. Yes, freely enter the U.S with a pending hearing with an Immigration Judge for themselves and the children too. This is creating a enormous burden on the interior ICE Officers. It can't continue something is going to give...
Even re-entries (reinstatements), which have been deported before, are being allowed to enter through Ports of Entry with children. It's a travesty.


The only people that seem to know what really is going on is President Trump and those others that have visited the southern Border. I can't understand why our political leaders don't see this or want to see this reality. They fight the President when he is only stating the truth and the facts. We do have a crisis and something needs to be done soon. We currently have open borders, sadly. ICE is overwhelmed. The policy on immigration must , must change.
We are being invaded by 75 thousand a month of killers,drug carriers,people with deseases. and they are all being allowed free entry into USA no questions asked.? Silver Fox Do you really believe this drivel from the president and rightwing sources like Limbaugh/FOX ? its purely made up garbage to scare you into supporting trumps pie in the sky wall,a wall which will do nothing to solve the immigration problem.
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Old 03-18-2019, 06:38 AM
 
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The crisis at the border is a hoax.
Really? The crisis at the border has been going on for decades now. It's only accelerated with thousands marching up to our border in caravans demanding entry into our country now. Glad we finally have a president who is trying to put a stop to it.
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