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A reasonable discussion can’t be had with you because you fail to acknowledge the laws of economics plus the current economic climate of the US. If there was no need for low skill immigrant labor than there wouldn’t be 11 million undocumented immigrants currently living and working in the US. The vast majority of them come here to work. That is an undisputable fact.
What was "unreasonable" about OG's post?
We don't need any more "low skill illegal alien labor". Who do you think did those jobs before we were flooded with illegals? Americans did them and were paid a decent enough wage to propel them into the ranks of the lower middle class. Not only that, they got decent benefits to go along with it.
Illegals have become a dime a dozen. Sleazy contractors in the construction fields hire them cheaply and pay them under the table. Honest contractors have lost their livelihoods because they couldn't compete with the sleazy ones.
Doubt it? I talked with a construction supervisor who is Hispanic-American. He and his wife were buying a townhouse that was a new build. Whenever possible, he would head out the the construction site to check on the house's progress. Every time he went, he would discover shoddy work which he would demand that it get fixed. While on the site, he talked to illegals who were working there. One illegal who was hanging drywall told him he got paid 10 cents for every sheet of drywall he put up. When asked why he puts up with that, the answer was that if he left, he knew that there were a dozen guys waiting to take his job. Another illegal, who was spray painting the interiors of the houses, said he got paid $100 for every 3 houses he painted.
The construction supervisor that told me all this was shocked to find that the same builder who is building his house is the one who built ours 20 years ago. He noticed that ours was very soundly constructed. Back then, the guys who built it would come in from WV in warm weather and spend their time living in campgrounds while here. They did great work. We would check on the progress of our home almost daily and found very little that was wrong.
Illegals have displaced Americans when it comes to the construction fields. I often wonder what ever happened to those guys from WV. Are they still working construction? If not, have they found other work?
The bottom line is this --- We have no use for unskilled, functionally illiterate, low IQ illegal aliens. And, yes, they do have low IQs:
What about American citizens who have learning disabilities and/or physical limitations? Many of them are capable of doing unskilled work. Not only that, the vast majority do want to earn a living. They come first and foremost.
We don't need any more "low skill illegal alien labor". Who do you think did those jobs before we were flooded with illegals? Americans did them and were paid a decent enough wage to propel them into the ranks of the lower middle class. Not only that, they got decent benefits to go along with it.
Illegals have become a dime a dozen. Sleazy contractors in the construction fields hire them cheaply and pay them under the table. Honest contractors have lost their livelihoods because they couldn't compete with the sleazy ones.
Doubt it? I talked with a construction supervisor who is Hispanic-American. He and his wife were buying a townhouse that was a new build. Whenever possible, he would head out the the construction site to check on the house's progress. Every time he went, he would discover shoddy work which he would demand that it get fixed. While on the site, he talked to illegals who were working there. One illegal who was hanging drywall told him he got paid 10 cents for every sheet of drywall he put up. When asked why he puts up with that, the answer was that if he left, he knew that there were a dozen guys waiting to take his job. Another illegal, who was spray painting the interiors of the houses, said he got paid $100 for every 3 houses he painted.
The construction supervisor that told me all this was shocked to find that the same builder who is building his house is the one who built ours 20 years ago. He noticed that ours was very soundly constructed. Back then, the guys who built it would come in from WV in warm weather and spend their time living in campgrounds while here. They did great work. We would check on the progress of our home almost daily and found very little that was wrong.
Illegals have displaced Americans when it comes to the construction fields. I often wonder what ever happened to those guys from WV. Are they still working construction? If not, have they found other work?
The bottom line is this --- We have no use for unskilled, functionally illiterate, low IQ illegal aliens. And, yes, they do have low IQs:
What about American citizens who have learning disabilities and/or physical limitations? Many of them are capable of doing unskilled work. Not only that, the vast majority do want to earn a living. They come first and foremost.
What you don’t understand is that we do have a need for the labor - that’s why 10 million+ are currently employed in the U.S. The national unemployment rate is less than 4% and statistically at full employment, meaning that anyone who wants to work is able to get a job. In many parts of the country, my home included, there is currently a large labor shortage, including in low skill positions. This stuff you’re suggesting about immigrants taking jobs away from Americans who are eager to work these jobs is simply not true. Outside of a few extreme situations, it is purely myth. It’s a conspiracy theory pushed by anti-immigration pundits.
A reasonable discussion can’t be had with you because you fail to acknowledge the laws of economics plus the current economic climate of the US. If there was no need for low skill immigrant labor than there wouldn’t be 11 million undocumented immigrants currently living and working in the US. The vast majority of them come here to work. That is an undisputable fact.
No law of economics includes violating our immigration laws. The only reason that the greedy employers hire illegal aliens is to increase their profits not because they can't find good American workers at a fair wage. That's the reason there are 11 million illegal aliens here along with our generous welfare programs and birthright citizenship for their kids. Doesn't matter what the reason is that they here they have no right to work or reside here. They cost us over $100 billion a year, take American jobs, taxes and resources and create overcrowded conditions in our country. That is an undisputable fact. I don't know why that seem to be of little or no importance to the defenders of illegal aliens.
What you don’t understand is that we do have a need for the labor - that’s why 10 million+ are currently employed in the U.S. The national unemployment rate is less than 4% and statistically at full employment, meaning that anyone who wants to work is able to get a job. In many parts of the country, my home included, there is currently a large labor shortage, including in low skill positions. This stuff you’re suggesting about immigrants taking jobs away from Americans who are eager to work these jobs is simply not true. Outside of a few extreme situations, it is purely myth. It’s a conspiracy theory pushed by anti-immigration pundits.
Once again, there is no American labor shortage only greedy employers wanting to increase their profits by hiring cheap illegals instead. If there were truly a labor shortage then why haven't the employers passed that on to our government so that they can create visas for import legal workers? The answer is clear to anyone without an agenda.
The topic isn't about immigrants but illegal aliens. Who's anti-immigrant? Seems like you are blurring the lines between legal and illegal. You do know the difference, don't you?
Once again, there is no American labor shortage only greedy employers wanting to increase their profits by hiring cheap illegals instead. If there were truly a labor shortage then why haven't the employers passed that on to our government so that they can create visas for import legal workers? The answer is clear to anyone without an agenda.
The topic isn't about immigrants but illegal aliens. Who's anti-immigrant? Seems like you are blurring the lines between legal and illegal. You do know the difference, don't you?
Face reality sir. The wide consensus is that there is a labor shortage.
If there is such a "labor shortage", then why aren't there any guest worker programs to address that issue? Answer --- there is no "labor shortage".
Back when GW Bush was president and ICE was allowed to raid factories and packing plants, Americans were lining up to take those jobs. In the case of Howard Industries in MS, Americans drove as far away as 40 miles for a chance to apply for a job.
Recently, when Amazon announced that they were hiring all over the country, Americans lined up for those jobs.
We have had many instances where American citizen IT workers were laid off and replaced with H1-B visa holders. Your first link from Vox is a bald faced lie.
There is no "labor shortage".
If illegals were forced to leave the country, employers would be forced to pay better wages and offer benefits to fill their jobs. Americans will do those jobs but not at the exploitative wages paid to illegals.
Of course those who hire illegal aliens for profit are going to say there is a labor shortage. I'll ask you again, if there truly is a labor shortage then why haven't the employers asked congress to create or increase visas for the jobs that supposedly have a labor shortage? Crickets..... At any rate there is no justification for hiring illegal aliens as it's against the law! Hire legal or go out of business. It's really that simple.
Should we be more concerned about these employers or ourselves and our fellow Americans that are having to foot the bill for the over $100 billion a year that illegal aliens cost us? I know what my answer is.
The humanitarian crisis is in those broken countries. It should NOT be the US's humanitarian crisis. And the crisis is real and it's an ECONOMIC one. America just can't afford to take in all of these hungry parasites and the parasitic children.
America is NOT a wealthy country. It's citizens and governments are ALL living on credit and week to week. We have NOTHING leftover to give these impoverished, uneducated, non-English speaking breeders. NOTHING at all.
We've got college graduates with massive college loan debts. We have homeowners with their 30-year mortgages and rising property taxes due to rising public education costs who are distressed at the crowded classrooms that their children are in. And yet, liberals would welcome in more DACAs for free, ones that would cost an addition $3K a year to try to teach, on top of that average $15K a year cost for educating each student in grades 1-12. And we already have millions of homeless US citizens. WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF AMERICANS FIRST!!!!!!!!!
Wow. One trip down a commercial strip of any sizeable town or city looked at the oacked parking lits of restaraunts where it cists a family $50-$100 to eat a singke meal out to improve your impression of how "destitute" this country is very quickly.
Mist US cities of any size are actually experiencing a building boom...including the Rust Belt city I lice in.
America is not an impoverished nation. Not even close.
Would you also like to argue that the sky is not blue?
The sky, is indeed, blue when it is sunny. Sometimes it's gray. At nighttime it is dark.
And, your point is, what, exactly?
We don't need millions of functionally illiterate unskilled illegal aliens in this country. We don't even need educated illegals either.
With illegals gone, wages will rise for the poor and lower middle classes. So will benefit packages do the same.
Can you explain why, if we supposedly have a labor shortage, why Americans all over the US lined up for Amazon jobs? Can you explain why, if we supposedly have a shortage of American citizen STEM/IT workers, why greedy employers are laying off experienced, competent Americans and replacing them with H1-B visa holders? Can you explain why, if we have a labor shortage, when ICE raids factories and packing plants, Americans show up to apply for those jobs?
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