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Old 04-02-2019, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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estimates are 25 million, i think its more like 40million to be honest
LOL I see that broncosilly logged off and logged back in as himself. Hi, Donald!

 
Old 04-02-2019, 05:15 PM
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The best "current" study is from Yale......minimum at 20 million, upper end at 40 milliion.

That means ONE in EIGHT people living in this country is an illegal at 40 million.
 
Old 04-02-2019, 06:21 PM
 
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I'm afraid freedom is always a magnet for immigration, legal and otherwise. I've seen it in West Germany at the time when inhabitants of the "workers paradise" East Germany would illegally flee the country even under a real threat to their lives. Socialists will always shoot to kill (East Germany, Venezuela, etc.) but I don't think us freedom-loving people are ready to shoot immigrants. Short of that we will always be a magnet for immigration because of our freedoms and opportunities. Unless we elect Lenin Sanders or Alexandria Maduro we will always have so much opportunities here that will attract people from all over the world who will come here at any cost. We see this also vs. California where the utopian socialist policies drive people to Arizona. On the other side, President Trump's pro-growth policies are like a magnet for immigration as they create so many more opportunities. No coincidence that people are lining up to jump the border. That's the irony of it- Democrat socialist policies effectively will drive immigration down and Trump's policies are the biggest pull for immigration any of us have ever seen.
 
Old 04-03-2019, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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The best "current" study is from Yale......minimum at 20 million, upper end at 40 milliion.

That means ONE in EIGHT people living in this country is an illegal at 40 million.
I know the study you speak of. Article here: https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...l-immigration/ Their simulation came up with a range of 16-29 million and a mean of 22 million. Not anywhere close to 40 million. That and the Pew study have been debated, and it's likely the number is somewhere in between the 10.7 million that Pew estimates and the mean number of 22 in the Yale study. The 16 million seems about right (or about 1 in 20 people in the country). Even if it's at the higher end, it would only further reinforce that crime rate from illegal immigrants is actually lower than many people believe.
 
Old 04-03-2019, 11:10 AM
 
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More of an assumption since they never spoke English. We used to have them come into the shop I worked and and could tell the false social security cards.



My question was more to see if many from the caravans are staying in Arizona or moving on? The news you really don't get a good take on what is going on just their spin where as people that live there see things differently.

I have had experience over decades here with lots of people who still speak Spanish among Spanish speakers even though they have been here legally for many years. Don't make that assumption.


Good to not rely on the news, especially any news stories that imply that the "caravans" are many in number and are walking right in. If you work in construction, you should be able to get work. And I would not spend much time worrying about the credentials of others on the crew. Just do your job. Good luck!
 
Old 04-03-2019, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Studio City, CA 91604
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I think that's exactly what you're attempting to do considering there's nothing in your post that indicates that the presence of immigrants would impact your life or livelihood one way or the other.

Please stay where you are.
It's baffling to me that someone could be trying to move to a historically Hispanic part of the country (the Southwest US) and then want to complain about the people with ties to that region.

That would be like me moving to Minnesota and complaining about Scandinavians, or moving to Louisiana and complaining about people speaking French.

I'm sure this is another one of those paranoid white American housewives who grew up in a bubble and who think everyone who looks "Hispanic" is an illegal alien.

This type of racism and associated assumptions about people is what gets them killed, hurt or deprived of economic survival.
 
Old 04-03-2019, 11:53 AM
 
Location: downtown phoenix
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Amazing.......some people would rather give away their country than admit illegals come into the U.S and drink up U.S tax dollars, commit crime, clog hospital waiting rooms, cause drunken driver accidents, rape and kill.

It's bad enough American citizens do it............."we don't need any help thank you"

Apparently you deniers don't believe the Border Patrol, ICE and the NO GO sections on the American side of the border.
Here is a tip..........get out of your house and head down to the canyons along the border, camp out...You won't last the night.
I live in south Phoenix and illegals have zero affect on my life. Many friends in Whetstone, Huachuca and Bisbee and none of them are concerned that much. It seems the people so outraged about it are the ones who surround themselves in mostly white, suburban gated communities. Just curious but where do you live?
 
Old 04-03-2019, 12:21 PM
 
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This is why I love Phoenix. Love the response on this thread. If you don't want to hear people speaking Spanish, please don't move here.
 
Old 04-03-2019, 12:52 PM
 
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This is why I love Phoenix. Love the response on this thread. If you don't want to hear people speaking Spanish, please don't move here.
Exactly. It's from the same group that seems to fear everything. It's so irrational, but a closed mind doesn't think critically.
 
Old 04-03-2019, 03:09 PM
 
Location: The Circle City. Sometimes NE of Bagdad.
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Is the bussing of immigrants inland going to change things?

https://www.oann.com/border-agents-a...-miles-inland/
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