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Old 04-11-2019, 07:56 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Natnasci View Post
People wouldn't be fleeing the US if the Orange One wasn't in office.

I gave NO credit to him.

Remember, we are talking about REFUGEES not illegal immigrants.

Also this is not just about the USA. It includes people from the UK, Australia and New Zealand.
Refugees = illegals to the Maga crowd. They want less of both, despite the obvious demographic problem in this country long term
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Old Yesterday, 01:36 PM
 
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Remember, we are talking about REFUGEES not illegal immigrants.

In practice, it is often hard to tell what the distinction is since poverty and crime tend to be correlated. The surge in claims arguably has less to do with conditions worsening on the ground vs the growing word of mouth about the asylum process. Asylum claims from El Salvador has been rising, despite the fact the murder rate has been dropping.

Something like 80% of Central American asylum claims are ultimately rejected upon adjudication. But the process takes two years during which time you have legal status and even if your claim is eventually denied very few people actually leave the country. At this point, you would be irrational to not claim asylum if you have no other legal means to immigrate.
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Old Today, 11:20 AM
 
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There are refugees from the UK, Australia and New Zealand? Are they running from oppressively high living standards there?
Did you read the article ?

It's NOT citizens of those countries, but people who have applied for refugee status in those countries and have been denied.
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Old Today, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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No one is fleeing the US. They are simply being rejected by America and are trying to move up to Canada.

It helps to actually read the article:


No one wants to live in Canada first if they can live in America, especially Mexicans. You lost control of your borders and this law will fix it.

You could just build a wall, but again, no one is fleeing America.


If one is IN the US and is fleeing to another country, they are fleeing the US.

Some of the 50,000 Haitians that were part a program that currently allows them to live and work legally in the United States, fled the US for Canada.

You don't have to be a citizen to flee a country

Canada has NOT lost control of our borders. These people were met, and processed. Canada does not allow illegal immigrants to stay. If someone claims refugee status, they are processed and if they fail, they are removed.

All this law does, is save time and energy for reprocessing a people that have already gone through a very similar process with these four countries.
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Old Today, 11:28 AM
 
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Refugees = illegals to the Maga crowd. They want less of both, despite the obvious demographic problem in this country long term
Yes it's beginning to dawn on me that they don't know the difference.

There is also a sense of them gleefully hoping that somehow Canada suffers in some way. Sick, IMO
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Old Today, 12:26 PM
 
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Yes it's beginning to dawn on me that they don't know the difference.

There is also a sense of them gleefully hoping that somehow Canada suffers in some way. Sick, IMO
I don't want any country to suffer. Since these asylum seekers are supposed to take refuge in the nearest safe country (and Mexico offered them that) but most are refusing it, any that have entered our country illegally without going to a legal port of entry are illegal aliens. Those who applied at a legal port of entry and stayed in Mexico awaiting their hearings are not illegal aliens but they still didn't follow our laws of asylum as stated above.

I think most know that claiming poverty and violence are not viable reasons to come here and claim asylum but that's the reason that most are using so there's that to.
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Old Today, 06:16 PM
 
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We never lost our borders.

This change came because of the wasted time and costs of re-vetting so called refugees from four countries that pretty much have the same vetting standards.

It only became an issue, when the Orange One took office.
Really? So when James Comes testified that the US could not properly vetted refugees from Syria, that was Trump's doing?

Should we be taking people from countries that have been openly hostile towards the USA for decades? I would say probably not a good idea. That would be like letting former members of the Mafia on the police force.
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