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Old 04-15-2019, 06:00 PM
 
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Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
Trump called no one's bluff. He simply blathered on like he does. Claiming he is going to do something and then never doing anything.

It's odd at how many complain about illegals not getting deported but then thinks it's a great thing for the government to drop them off to some permanent spot in the U.S.
he has exposed the hypocrisy from the democrats. They want all immigrants here and make it hard for Trump to deport the illegals by creating and supporting sanctuary cities to ignore and defy federal laws and the moment Trump says he is considering sending some immigrants to those sanctuary cities until the courts process their asylum requests, Democrats protest.


democrats love illegal immigration but not in their neighborhoods and not in the same schools their children go.
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Old 04-15-2019, 06:42 PM
 
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Trump is proposing, out of petty vindictiveness, to dump detained illegal immigrants into sanctuary cities, counties and states.

Here's how California could respond: the Federal government ordered California to expand early release of prisoners due to jail overcrowding. California should bus those released prisoners to red states.


Two can play this game. Fair is fair.
People released from prison are put on parole. A condition of parole is not leaving the state.

You are choosing illegals over American citizens. Why do you hate incarcerated Americans?
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Old 04-15-2019, 09:18 PM
 
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In this case California politicians have made it a point to interfere with ICE
No one in California is interfering with ICE. They are free to do their jobs.
Border security is a FEDERAL responsibility. The states have no obligation to assist the Feds.
If ICE goes in and wants to detain an illegal in Los Angeles, go for it. No state officer is stopping them.
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Old 04-15-2019, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Central Washington
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No one in California is interfering with ICE. They are free to do their jobs.
Border security is a FEDERAL responsibility. The states have no obligation to assist the Feds.
If ICE goes in and wants to detain an illegal in Los Angeles, go for it. No state officer is stopping them.
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California’s top labor law enforcer wants federal immigration agents to stay away. Labor Commissioner Julie Su last month directed her staff to turn away Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents unless the federal officers have warrants.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics...165111922.html

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California attorney general Xavier Becerra warned businesses that his office would prosecute owners who assist the federal government in immigration sweeps for illegal aliens.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...on_sweeps.html

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The head of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has accused the Oakland City Council of encouraging residents to interfere with immigration raids by passing a resolution directing officers of the Oakland Police Department not to "collude" with immigration agents. Sanctuary cities knowingly and intentionally release criminal aliens, who are already in the country in violation of the law, back onto the streets where they can reoffend in the very communities they live in - threatening public safety.
https://www.sfgate.com/news/bayarea/...g-12509072.php

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Immigration Reform Law Institute (IRLI) Executive Director Dale Wilcox revealed that within a 27-month period, the state of California had failed to honor about 5,600 Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detainers which are the holds ICE agents file to local jails and police to request that an illegal alien be turned over to them for arrest and deportation. Of these 5,600 failed ICE detainers, more than 3,400 were lodged against an illegal alien who had been classified “level 1” and “level 2” offenders — meaning that these illegal aliens had been charged with crimes like homicide, kidnapping, sexual assault, robbery, aggravated assault, drugs, and fraud.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ral-officials/

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The Trump Justice Department filed a lawsuit Tuesday night against California, saying three recently-passed state laws were deliberately interfering with federal immigration policies.
https://www.usmaganews.com/2018/03/06/trump-doj-sues-california-over-interference-with-immigration-enforcement/

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No one in California is interfering with ICE.
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Old 04-15-2019, 10:01 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Trump is proposing, out of petty vindictiveness, to dump detained illegal immigrants into sanctuary cities, counties and states.

Here's how California could respond: the Federal government ordered California to expand early release of prisoners due to jail overcrowding. California should bus those released prisoners to red states.........
And why would they stay where they were put? Why wouldn't they just go back home?

This is the kind of nitwit, unfinished thinking we get from Blue staters. They honestly think they have all the answers. Fact is, a child would have a better idea than that.
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Old 04-15-2019, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Trump is proposing, out of petty vindictiveness, to dump detained illegal immigrants into sanctuary cities, counties and states.

Here's how California could respond: the Federal government ordered California to expand early release of prisoners due to jail overcrowding. California should bus those released prisoners to red states.


Two can play this game. Fair is fair.
Here's the problem, California cannot just "bus" US citizens it releases from prison early to other states. They have a say in where they go, and most will choose to stay in "sanctuary" big nanny state CA.
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Old 04-15-2019, 10:29 PM
 
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No one in California is interfering with ICE. They are free to do their jobs.
Border security is a FEDERAL responsibility. The states have no obligation to assist the Feds.
If ICE goes in and wants to detain an illegal in Los Angeles, go for it. No state officer is stopping them.
There is a law on the books called "aiding and abetting". By not reporting a known illegal alien to ICE that a city's police force has in custody I would say they are guilty of violating the above crime.
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Old 04-16-2019, 10:40 AM
 
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Nothing posted above demonstrates active interference by California against ICE. There are some allegations of interference by the Trump administration, but those are only allegations, and none have been proven and adjudicated.

"Labor Commissioner Julie Su last month directed her staff to turn away Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents unless the federal officers have warrants." -- asking for a warrant isn't interference, it is due process.

Of course what the Trump supporters conveniently leave out is the California sanctuary law REQUIRES state and local law enforcement to fully cooperate with ICE if the illegal has been convicted, or even suspected, of a long list of crimes such as theft, murder, rape, assault, burglary, etc. Sanctuary is only granted to illegals who are good neighbors.
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Old 04-16-2019, 11:02 AM
 
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Nothing posted above demonstrates active interference by California against ICE. There are some allegations of interference by the Trump administration, but those are only allegations, and none have been proven and adjudicated.

"Labor Commissioner Julie Su last month directed her staff to turn away Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents unless the federal officers have warrants." -- asking for a warrant isn't interference, it is due process.

Of course what the Trump supporters conveniently leave out is the California sanctuary law REQUIRES state and local law enforcement to fully cooperate with ICE if the illegal has been convicted, or even suspected, of a long list of crimes such as theft, murder, rape, assault, burglary, etc. Sanctuary is only granted to illegals who are good neighbors.
Good neighbors don't commit felony ID theft and/or tax evasion just for starters. Our immigration laws don't prioritize illegal aliens for deportation nor should they. If you are here illegally it's a done deal. You must be deported as our laws state. Let's say that an illegal alien is stopped for a traffic infraction and they have no prior "conviction" of a known crime. IMO, they still must be detained and ICE called to pick them up otherwise to just release them back into our society is aiding and abetting them which is against the law.
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Old 04-17-2019, 06:09 AM
 
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Trump is proposing, out of petty vindictiveness, to dump detained illegal immigrants into sanctuary cities, counties and states.

Here's how California could respond: the Federal government ordered California to expand early release of prisoners due to jail overcrowding. California should bus those released prisoners to red states.

Two can play this game. Fair is fair.
" out of petty vindictiveness," A bit of editorializing there.

"California should bus those released prisoners to red states."

That would go AGAINST WHY these cities became sanctuary cities in the 1st place.

The red state would just pack them up and take them to jail and call INS.
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