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Old 12-31-2006, 09:06 PM
 
Location: South Bay, California
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Every white person is affected by illegal immigration in Los Angeles County. Regardless of social status, you notice the difference everyday.
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Old 12-31-2006, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Orange County
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amavel's speculations don't jibe with studies quoted on CNN after the Swift affair, that removing all illegal immigrant labor would raise prices initially by a gargantuan 6%, then immediately stabilize down to a brobdingnagian 4%. I would gladly pay 4% on everything to have its labor go to the worthy workforce of American citizens and naturalized American citizens. That just might . . . gosh. . . help America!
That might be a statistic on the national level (including northern states largely unaffected by the immigrant influx), however I know several small businesses in the Southwest would have no other option but to shut down. In more rural but affected areas, entire industries would be put at a stand still. How long would it take to fill the millions of gardening/landscaping, fast-food, childcare, housekeeping, agricultural, construction, and janitorial positions? After a 20 or 30 year period of those traditionally being held by illegal immigrants, its naive to think the rest of the American workforce would quickly adapt and fill in the missing spaces in the best interest of the economy.

So yeah, maybe citizens in good ol' Wisconsin or Kentucky might see a slight increase in the cost of living, but all of the border states would be greatly affected by the sudden loss of 15 million laborers (or, roughly the total population of Nebraska, Idaho, Maine, New Hampshire, Hawaii, Rhode Island, Montana, Delaware, South Dakota, Alaska, North Dakota, Vermont, D.C., and Wyoming).
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Old 12-31-2006, 10:06 PM
 
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And then the California economy, and every other state with a large illegal immigrant population, would suffer greatly. The price of produce would likely double, many small business owners that rely on the cheap labor to survive would go belly up, and there would be an almost complete gap in the low-wage job market.

But then, of course, we wouldn't have to "deal" with the non-English speaking children plaguing our educational system or the Mexican gangbangers that are ruining our neighborhoods! We could finally return to our WASP roots!
I wonder, how did the US become the world's sole economic superpower prior to the influx of illegals?
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Old 12-31-2006, 10:27 PM
 
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That might be a statistic on the national level (including northern states largely unaffected by the immigrant influx), however I know several small businesses in the Southwest would have no other option but to shut down. In more rural but affected areas, entire industries would be put at a stand still. How long would it take to fill the millions of gardening/landscaping, fast-food, childcare, housekeeping, agricultural, construction, and janitorial positions? After a 20 or 30 year period of those traditionally being held by illegal immigrants, its naive to think the rest of the American workforce would quickly adapt and fill in the missing spaces in the best interest of the economy.

So yeah, maybe citizens in good ol' Wisconsin or Kentucky might see a slight increase in the cost of living, but all of the border states would be greatly affected by the sudden loss of 15 million laborers (or, roughly the total population of Nebraska, Idaho, Maine, New Hampshire, Hawaii, Rhode Island, Montana, Delaware, South Dakota, Alaska, North Dakota, Vermont, D.C., and Wyoming).
Business have to close due to no more illegal employees? Thats pure speculation. What we do know is there are many people here that had to close their businesses due to illegals undercutting them.

I take it you want to maintain the status quo of importing the lowest class so we can save a buck on a burger combo? You're ok with people living here in poverty-like conditions so they can service us and do jobs no US person wants to do?

I guess we differ in many ways. I'm willing to pay a little more (as you would put it) for some basic necessities if there was no illegal problems. After all, all the so called extra I'd pay out would come back to me in:

not having to send my kids to a private school over the dumbed down public schools around here that have predominantly non-englishing speaking students.

I wouldn't have to spend my time, money and energy on cleaning up what they do to my property.

I don't have to look at the damage done to me car by illegals hitting and running our 3 family cars over 7 times in the last 5 yrs.

The police will be less overburdened from chasing down crimes committed by illegals (large majority of felonies in LA) so they cam be around when we citizens really need them.

Hospitals will not close due to non-payments so they will be around when needed.

I'm just going by your logic but I disagree. I'd gladly pay more for living around here. That way, I can get my hands dirty a little more, doing jobs that an illegal would've done if they were here, to improve our country. I wouldn't have to worry about anyone living in squalor so I can save a buck. And they would be in their rightful country, working as hard as they would working here, but putting their hard work into improving their own country, not ours. Isn't that ultimately whats best for both countries, citizens working hard to improve their own?
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Old 12-31-2006, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Heartland Florida
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As another Florida visitor to the CA forum, I can tell you that I have built my own home with only my dad to help, and we subcontracted the concrete pumping to a company which at the time had only white employees. The neighbor had used a cheaper company employing unskilled day labor. The quality of work was less, and they only saved about 500.00 to get the floor poured. All finishing work was done by me, and I clean the house and do all my own repairs. Bought and rebuilt a skid loader and have a lot of tools. and do everything by myself. You can do it, and if you're so rich as to not have the time, pay people a decent wage, stop being a cheap racist paying illegals instead of supporting the economy.

Where were the illegals in the early 20'th century? Where were they in the postwar 1950's when you could easily afford a house in sunny California? I still help friends learn how to do things for themself, and experience the work of "qualified" people who do electrical, plumbing, hvac and other work terribly. They can't even install a drop ceiling properly, see how wavy the new ones are? That's why the concealed ceilings of the 50's-60's are no longer made, workers today can't install them!

What spineless idiots give welfare and free health care to illegals? Our forefathers did not get such help. When the illegals come for their benefits, give them the plane ticket. Of course the wealty are cheap and will not want to pay a living wage, they are racist. You never see the illegals living in their neighborhood! Economic discrimination, it makes me sick.
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Old 12-31-2006, 11:03 PM
 
Location: South Bay, California
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Where were the illegals in the early 20'th century? Where were they in the postwar 1950's when you could easily afford a house in sunny California? .
They were here ten years earlier during WWII when there was a labor shortage due to men in war. Once the men came back, the United States pressured them back to Mexico.
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Old 12-31-2006, 11:04 PM
 
Location: South Bay, California
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FYI, construction work may be desirably pay in ratio to living expense in Florida. But in California, you won't be surviving off this.
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Old 12-31-2006, 11:09 PM
 
Location: South Bay, California
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[quote=;241034]Of course the wealty are cheap and will not want to pay a living wage, they are racist. QUOTE]

You will only have a labor contract with an employeer who hires white folks, but rich folks will hire illegal immigrants. Do you understand how your view of racism is confused here? The middle class hires illegal immigrants as well.
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Old 01-01-2007, 06:18 AM
 
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And then the California economy, and every other state with a large illegal immigrant population, would suffer greatly. The price of produce would likely double, many small business owners that rely on the cheap labor to survive would go belly up, and there would be an almost complete gap in the low-wage job market.

But then, of course, we wouldn't have to "deal" with the non-English speaking children plaguing our educational system or the Mexican gangbangers that are ruining our neighborhoods! We could finally return to our WASP roots!
Actually, no--labor is only about 10 percent of the cost of typical produce. Water, chemicals, land, etc--THAT'S the biggest drain. So you're going from $2/lb to $2.25/lb for tomatoes if you DOUBLE what workers get.

I'm looking around where I live now and there are no illegals filling the "low wage jobs"--those are filled by pepole who are already here. Wow--what a concept!
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Old 01-01-2007, 07:42 AM
 
Location: South Bay, California
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It's not that you folks believe illegal immigrants aren't filling the menial jobs, it's your disliking of illegal immigrants that reveals your personal bias that causes you to believe this.
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