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Old 01-01-2007, 07:46 AM
 
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It's not that you folks believe illegal immigrants aren't filling the menial jobs, it's your disliking of illegal immigrants that reveals your personal bias that causes you to believe this.

No, dear boy--it's the fact that they take more than they give and want US to bend to THEIR will, THEIR way of life, and THEIR culture.

Last time I checked my Sociology text, the dominant culture tends to win out with some aspects of the immigrant culture blended in.

So please, do us all a favor and get off the multicultural "illegals are good people" crap, will ya? They're here ILLEGALLY. If a person is here legally, I don't care WHAT color they are or what jobs they fill.

In fact, I'll go out on a limb right now and say I think LEGAL immigrants have a right to be even MORE PO'ed at illegals because those folks just jumped to the head of the line without paying the price of having to wait, etc., like they did. I know I'd sure be miffed if someone did that to me!

You know why I dislike illegals? CAUSE THEY'RE FRIGGIN CRIMINALS, THAT'S WHY!
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Old 01-01-2007, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth/Dallas
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My mistake, nice information..I know they don't pay that well in California, I'm sure of that...but in your last quote you do understand the complications of a low supply of caucasian workers in the always booming construction industry. I went to Utah, saw some Latinos doing Construction in the snow. I wonder if they know about yellow snow, since it doesn't snow in Latin America much.
The low supply of caucasian workers is because people who have lived their lives accustomed to a certain standard of living cannot work at the wages paid illegal immigrants. Therefore, the standard of living has come down due to those willing to come here and work at slave labor. The people coming here aren't as much of the problem as those who wish to usurp the system and hire them. I can't blame someone from wanting to come here and have a better life, but I sure as h*ll don't like the hundreds of thousands marching in the streets, DEMANDING legal status.

If we were to run down to Mexico or just about any other country, for that matter and wave signs, carrying U.S. flags and DEMANDING that we be legalized we'd all be rounded up and put into prison. The problem we have here is that illegal immigrants have been allowed to seep (and more recently pour) into this country over decades and decades; now they are an economic and political force that is used as the right hand of the corporate lobby and politicians who wish for these illegals to become part of their voting block.

It's high time the American citizens took a stand against this and turned these politicians out on their a*ses and put the employers that hire these illegals in jail. Through attrition, many illegals will return to their home countries. Those that choose to remain should be jailed and deported as they bubble to the surface.

Yes, there will be some repercussions because of this. Employers will be forced to pay a decent wage. They can no longer retire with 30 million in the bank; maybe that will be reduced to 10 or 12 million (greedy sons of b*tches), ballot cards, drivers license handbooks and a multitude of other documents won't have to be written in 20 languages, there will no longer be gridlock on the highways in cities that have exploding illegal immigrant populations, insurance rates will go down, the standard of living will rise, Mexico, Latin America, and all of the other nations that are sending us the poorest of their poor will have to deal with their own problems instead of sending them to the United States.

Yes, there will be many changes, and most all of them will be good. Folks, go to the following website and make your voice be heard:

www.numbersusa.com

The service is free, and they are performing a wonderful service to try and stop this corrupt practice of encouraging illegal immigration in Washington, state politics, and by corporations. If we don't stop this now, the country will be nothing more than a third-world country in 10 to 20 years, just like the countries from which most of these illegal immigrants are coming from.
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Old 01-01-2007, 08:01 AM
 
Location: South Bay, California
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[quote=;241300].

So please, do us all a favor and get off the multicultural "illegals are good people" crap, will ya? They're here ILLEGALLY. If a person is here legally, I don't care WHAT color they are or what jobs they fill.

They are illegal, but they are human beings Yes, they have made a mistake breaking the law crossing the border. There are very friendly illegal immigrants, and there are friendly white folks. There are decent people in every race. An illegal immigrant is a person, and I choose to treat him in that manner. To deny them work, is the immigrant bias way of saying, "get the out of my country." That's not treating someone with dignity and respect, this is called throwing a temper tantrum.
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Old 01-01-2007, 08:53 AM
 
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They are illegal, but they are human beings Yes, they have made a mistake breaking the law crossing the border. There are very friendly illegal immigrants, and there are friendly white folks. There are decent people in every race. An illegal immigrant is a person, and I choose to treat him in that manner. To deny them work, is the immigrant bias way of saying, "get the out of my country." That's not treating someone with dignity and respect, this is called throwing a temper tantrum.

So much for your not responding to my posts anymore.

BTW--do you have such an issue just clicking the "quote" button? Is that why all your replies look like someone took a chainsaw to them?

No, what they did was NOT a "mistake". A "mistake" is not paying attention to the "no left turn between 4 and 7 PM" at 4:15 PM and getting a ticket. These folks made a CONSCIOUS DECISION--i.e., PREMEDITATION to enter this country illegally.

They didn't just show up and say, "Whoa--you mean this is America? I thought I was still in Tijuana!" (actually some parts of LA LOOK like TJ)

Let me say it again so you don't get confused. THEY CHOSE TO BREAK THE LAW. THEY KNEW THEY COULD BE DEPORTED IF THEY GOT CAUGHT, BUT CAME ANYWAY. Regardless of purpose, whether to drop some anchor babies, jobs, education, whatever--they came here illegally and even YOU can't deny they didn't do it "by mistake".

What a maroon.

I've got another thought for you--why isn't anyone here putting the onus on the Mexican government to straighten out its own act so that 50 percent of its population isn't living below the poverty line? You know, make someone clean up their own garbage rather than throwing it into your yard.

What a concept!
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Old 01-01-2007, 09:01 AM
 
Location: South Bay, California
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So much for your not responding to my posts anymore.
BTW--do you have such an issue just clicking the "quote" button? Is that why all your replies look like someone took a chainsaw to them?
No, what they did was NOT a "mistake". A "mistake" is not paying attention to the "no left turn between 4 and 7 PM" at 4:15 PM and getting a ticket. These folks made a CONSCIOUS DECISION--i.e., PREMEDITATION to enter this country illegally.
They didn't just show up and say, "Whoa--you mean this is America? I thought I was still in Tijuana!" (actually some parts of LA LOOK like TJ)
Let me say it again so you don't get confused. THEY CHOSE TO BREAK THE LAW. THEY KNEW THEY COULD BE DEPORTED IF THEY GOT CAUGHT, BUT CAME ANYWAY. Regardless of purpose, whether to drop some anchor babies, jobs, education, whatever--they came here illegally and even YOU can't deny they didn't do it "by mistake".
What a maroon.
I've got another thought for you--why isn't anyone here putting the onus on the Mexican government to straighten out its own act so that 50 percent of its population isn't living below the poverty line? You know, make someone clean up their own garbage rather than throwing it into your yard.
What a concept!
It doesn't matter if a decision is premididated or not, this how defense lawyers get small criminals out of serving time. I see people break traffic laws everyday, I see teenagers drink alcohol every weekend, I see adults on the fourth of July intoxicated in public. It doesn't matter if it's premidiated, it's still wrong, and people know it before making there decision. It's the same thing as crossing the border illegally, it's still breaking the law. I have no idea what the Mexican Government is doing, they are not my responsibility. There are people who commit traffic infractions everyday and get away with it, they go home to their family and all is forgotten. If you want tougher immigration laws, then it's only right that all crime-deterrent laws be put into focus and have a greater capacity in society.
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Old 01-01-2007, 11:28 AM
 
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Again, wrong analogy. Breaking immigration and border security laws are Federal offenses, shifting them into the categories of grievous felonies like bank robbery. At least we all have accord now that illegal immigration is wrong. I'm afraid that only the non-wealthy on this chat know first-hand how these wage-depressing, antagonistic to Americans, illegals badly impact our lives. Ivory tower syndrome reigns amonst the wealthy. . .
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Old 01-01-2007, 11:59 AM
 
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Why not simply turn arrested violent (I.E. illegals who commit violent crimes, felonies, and driving cars w/o licenses) illegal immigrants into labor instead of simply expelling them? And show footage of illegal immigrants being forced to do backbreaking work for no pay (and it is legal to force convicts to do prison work) to people in places with a lot of illegal immigrants.

I have no pity for illegal immigrants who commit violent crimes after coming to the U.S.

Attach ankle tracking bracelets to such prisoners.
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Old 01-01-2007, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Orange County
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For the record, I do not support illegal immigration. No, I do not enjoy being stereotyped and spoken to in Spanish. No, I do not enjoy seeing day laborers wasting the day in front of Home Depot. No, I do not enjoy the crime and "havoc" inflicted on American society by aforementioned illegal immigrants. No American could care for such things-- especially those of recent, legal immigrant families such as my own.

What I can understand (aside from my own bias) is that it is physically impossible to emigrate about 15 million illegal immigrants. I understand that to make such an effort, countless families would be seperated. Countless children whose main language is English and whose culture is no less American would be forced to return to a country they never knew because of the actions of their parents. To implement such an endeavor, the US government would be put into many of the same situations as in the Mexican Repatriation movement during the mid-20th century. And, in case you were not aware, the state of California passed an act in 2005 officially apologizing for the "unconstitutional removal and coerced emigration of United States citizens and legal residents of Mexican descent" and for "the fundamental violations of their basic civil liberties and constitutional rights committed during the period of illegal deportation and coerced emigration". If a similar movement were to begin, thousands of citizens would likely be racially profiled and many "anchor babies" could be denied their constitutional rights at the sake of keeping family units in tact.

Furthermore, we are not only speaking of illegal immigrants of Mexican or Latin American descent, but also those of Asian, South Asian, Middle Eastern, and African descent who could potentially be forced to return to war-torn, communist, or genocidal situations.

If you're willing to live with the next Big American Mistake of the 21st century, then by all means contact your congressman and get this plan rolling. While you're at it, you may as well completely remove the following from the foot of the Statue of Liberty:

Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
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Old 01-01-2007, 07:23 PM
 
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"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

- Theodore Roosevelt, 1907

I'm with Teddy: be proud of your parents' heritage, but consider yourself to be an American.
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Old 01-01-2007, 09:09 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Again, wrong analogy. Breaking immigration and border security laws are Federal offenses, shifting them into the categories of grievous felonies like bank robbery. At least we all have accord now that illegal immigration is wrong. I'm afraid that only the non-wealthy on this chat know first-hand how these wage-depressing, antagonistic to Americans, illegals badly impact our lives. Ivory tower syndrome reigns amonst the wealthy. . .
Nope. Feds generally pursue illegal entry as an administrative violation that is non-criminal. I don't believe there is ever any criminal prosecution unless some other act is involved .

This is roughly the same as a high class traffic ticket or such.

As a practical matter the poor Mexican has absolutely no chance of coming here legally. That is not an available option. Come to the US illegally or not at all. Practically it has worked out well for most...so it is hard to fault the decision of an illegal to come here.

None of that justifies the violation of US law. But it does explain why it occurs and why it is not neccessarily a moral fault.
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