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Old 01-05-2007, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Maine
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I didn't know that African-American was a race.
It isn't.

"White" isn't a race either. The peoples of Africa have more genetic variance than any of the peoples of Europe. The descendants of Africans here in the US have all sorts of different ethnicities in their ancestry. And an Icelander is genetically different than a Spaniard. I don't know why people get so hung up over skin color.

The only reliable way to differentiate peoples is by culture and language. Just as an example:

The Celts. The Celts spread throughout most of Western Europe at one time. There were tall Celts, short Celts, pale Celts, dark-skinned Celts, blonde Celts, red-headed Celts, and Celts with black hair. "Racially" there was no such thing as a Celt. But what they did share was a common culture and language.

Pick any ethnicity you want. Say Irish. Genetically the Irish are a mixture of Celts, Spaniards, Vikings, English, French, and various pre-historic peoples.

My own ancestry: Irish, Scottish, English, German, Polish, Jewish, African, Seminole, and Kwikutl. So what "race" am I? I'm a mutt. But culturally I am very much an American and that is the only classification with any accuracy.

 
Old 01-05-2007, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Maine
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We cant "get away" from immigrants.. nor should we... but we NEED to "get away" from illegal immigrants for all the reasons stated 10,000 times over and over.
Absolutely. You are 100% correct.

There are good economic and social reasons for a strict immigration policy. It protects both natural-born citizens and the immigrants themselves. But to say that immigration is a threat to "white culture"...well, I'm afraid I sense a white robe and pointy hat hanging in someone's closet.
 
Old 01-05-2007, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Lots of sun and palm trees with occasional hurricane :)
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It isn't.

"White" isn't a race either. The peoples of Africa have more genetic variance than any of the peoples of Europe. The descendants of Africans here in the US have all sorts of different ethnicities in their ancestry. And an Icelander is genetically different than a Spaniard. I don't know why people get so hung up over skin color.

The only reliable way to differentiate peoples is by culture and language. Just as an example:

The Celts. The Celts spread throughout most of Western Europe at one time. There were tall Celts, short Celts, pale Celts, dark-skinned Celts, blonde Celts, red-headed Celts, and Celts with black hair. "Racially" there was no such thing as a Celt. But what they did share was a common culture and language.

Pick any ethnicity you want. Say Irish. Genetically the Irish are a mixture of Celts, Spaniards, Vikings, English, French, and various pre-historic peoples.

My own ancestry: Irish, Scottish, English, German, Polish, Jewish, African, Seminole, and Kwikutl. So what "race" am I? I'm a mutt. But culturally I am very much an American and that is the only classification with any accuracy.

I know it isn't and that is what I was saying to the poster who didn't want to be called "caucasian", as "white" is not a race either. Culture and language are ethnic traits, not racial classes.

I knew you were a mutt!!! You're very smart.
 
Old 01-05-2007, 10:35 AM
 
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Default Cutest mutt

This is one of my babies.

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Old 01-05-2007, 01:06 PM
 
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"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
 
Old 01-05-2007, 01:31 PM
 
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"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
So why do children and grandchildren and great grandchildren of (whatever nationality) ....keep saying African American, Irish American, Italian American, Cuban American? They are born here but still identify with the ancestors' heritage, which in many families lives on and on and on.
I think people like the differentiation. It's almost a "status" thing to say you're "X"-American. Kind of sets the tone.

I'm Cuban because I was born in Cuba. I am a naturalized American citizen. Mentally, however, I am a American who happens to be somewhat Cubanized because of where I live AND because of my ancestry. I also defend Cubans when I have to.

Am I "unamerican" because of that?
 
Old 01-05-2007, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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I am half from irish immigrants and 1/2 from german immigrants, so what would that make me? An American with cool ancestry and history.
 
Old 01-05-2007, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Maine
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I am half from irish immigrants and 1/2 from german immigrants, so what would that make me? An American with cool ancestry and history.
And probably very good taste in beer.
 
Old 01-05-2007, 01:52 PM
 
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And probably very good taste in beer.

Very funny!
 
Old 01-05-2007, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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And probably very good taste in beer.
you betcha!!!
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