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Old 05-22-2008, 12:29 PM
 
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And what if fairies flew over the commune dropping rainbows whenever the illegal stepped outside, but angry unicorns would rampage throughout the commune whenever Lazy Citizen Joe showed his face?

I mean, come on already! You can try to spin this so that the illegal is the best person on Earth and the US citizen is an escapee from hell, but the bottom line will always be the same.

Here is a more real life scenerio........Illegal X came into this country looking for work. Upon entering the country illegally, he optained a SSN under the name of Gorgeet. Should Gorgeet be worried about this, or should Gorgeet be happy that even though his/her credit may be forever ruined, he/she is helping an illegal immigrant out?
The purpose was to get you people to look beyond the 'illegal' label and see the value of the PERSON beneath the tag. He could possibly be a very valuable contibutor to society, and there should be a way to gain legal status if his/her contributions merit it.
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Old 05-22-2008, 12:37 PM
 
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The purpose was to get you people to look beyond the 'illegal' label and see the value of the PERSON beneath the tag. He could possibly be a very valuable contibutor to society, and there should be a way to gain legal status if his/her contributions merit it.
Contributions such as identity theft? Whether you like it or not, that is the reality for many people who are here illegally.

Another unpleasant fact is that the US no longer has the money to help/support more indigent and undereducated people. The jobs are drying up, especially for blue collar workers. Bottom line, our financial resources are limited (especially if universal healthcare comes into play). As lovely as it would be to let everyone in, we can no longer do it and be fiscally reasponsible.
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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The purpose was to get you people to look beyond the 'illegal' label and see the value of the PERSON beneath the tag. He could possibly be a very valuable contibutor to society, and there should be a way to gain legal status if his/her contributions merit it.
gorgeet:

If anything: being here in the USA illegally should be a felony.
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Contributions such as identity theft? Whether you like it or not, that is the reality for many people who are here illegally.

Another unpleasant fact is that the US no longer has the money to help/support more indigent and undereducated people. The jobs are drying up, especially for blue collar workers. Bottom line, our financial resources are limited (especially if universal healthcare comes into play). As lovely as it would be to let everyone in, we can no longer do it and be fiscally reasponsible.
The pro illegal side is losing the war of public opinion over illegal immigration hence their arguments becoming increasingly desperate.
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Old 05-22-2008, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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The purpose was to get you people to look beyond the 'illegal' label and see the value of the PERSON beneath the tag.
What part of the word "Illegal" don't you understand??????

If one is here illegally, and working, there is every likelihood that they have stolen someones idenity - a felony - a crime.
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Old 05-22-2008, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Pa
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What part of the word "Illegal" don't you understand??????

If one is here illegally, and working, there is every likelihood that they have stolen someones idenity - a felony - a crime.
They only wanted a better life... Oh they ruined someone elses to do it? Well if that other person had simply applied better identity secuirity it wouldn't have happened so it their own fault.
Illegals are not nice, misunderstood people. They are criminals who like most if not all criminals have absolutely no regard for those they hurt, for the laws of our nation, and without doubt think that pro-illegals must be the easiest marks going.
LOL sort of like a rape victim saying he wasn't so bad he only raped me once and he was considerate enough to wear a condom. He even locked the door as he left.

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Old 05-22-2008, 03:34 PM
 
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What part of the word "Illegal" don't you understand??????

If one is here illegally, and working, there is every likelihood that they have stolen someones idenity - a felony - a crime.
You obviously don't get it.
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Old 05-22-2008, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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The purpose was to get you people to look beyond the 'illegal' label and see the value of the PERSON beneath the tag. He could possibly be a very valuable contibutor to society, and there should be a way to gain legal status if his/her contributions merit it.
You evaded the question posed by Camping! – Why? If you condone identity theft by illegal aliens, surely you wouldn’t object to an illegal stealing your identity, or a family member, or friend. Better yet; why not volunteer your identity to one, or several? After all, you would only be helping the cause. The fact is; thousands, perhaps millions of “decent” U.S. citizens have had their identities stolen, and their lives ruined by illegal aliens. Should this simply be ignored because they “needed” an identity to obtain employment?

A man who murdered two police officers over 50 years ago was recently apprehended. During his 50 years of freedom, he did not commit another crime, had married, and had children and grandchildren. His neighbors all considered him a “good” guy. All were shocked to discover the truth. Should the law simply “excuse” his crimes, due to his exemplary behavior subsequent to his brutal murder of the officers? According to your ‘rationale’ -- the answer is yes.

I’m sorry, but I can’t “look beyond the ‘illegal’ label.” EVERY illegal alien working in this country is guilty of identity theft and/or document fraud. The fact that many may be “hard-working” or “good” people is totally irrelevant.
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Old 05-22-2008, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Pa
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You obviously don't get it.
As the husband of a legal immigrant I don't get it either. As someone who once worked in the drywall business and was forced to change trades because illegals lowballed the industry I don't get it. Yeah They only took the work at low ball wages because I didn't want to feed my family.
As a friend of someone in the landscape business who is struggling to compete against illegals lowball prices I don't get it.
This is not a victimless crime. Good american citizens are paying a hefty price to afford illegals who have done nothing to deserve our generosity a better life.
So I guess I and many others are clueless and misinformed.
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Old 05-22-2008, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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You obviously don't get it.
No, it is VERY OBVIOUS YOU DON'T GET IT!

Take a look at the other responses you got - they ALL see YOU DON'T GET IT
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