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Old 02-18-2008, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Originally Posted by CATOGAMO View Post
As a brand new American , is hard to mark the line when it comes to determine who is right and who is not. America was built by foreigners, ultimately called immigrants like almost everyone in America, only local people left are managing casinos in their reservations. I want to bring a solution, I am not here to hate nobody. Immigrants have been coming to America, almost all of them working really hard to make it right for their families. Biggest difference nowdays is, immigrants comes separated, not as a family unit that is why they are sending huge amounts of money to feed their families overseas. That is not good for any country, the money should be invested in the USA over and over again and this is what kept America been strong. We have to stop the illegal alliens, the solution is not building a wall or fencing the borderlines, nothing could be more stupid. We have to keep the mexican side busy and I really mean it, lets transfer business into Mexico to compete againts oriental makers with extremely low costs, I am not saying lets pay mexicans a ridiculous wage... Mexico would take care of its own population and will enlarge the size and penetration of bussiness entrepeneurs in the hispanic country. This would make of Mexico a real partner of the Trade Agreement but in a real way, producing their own products and supporting the US as a real partner, if you dont understand me, look what the EU has become, a big club where all members stick together for the wealth of the entire Union.
I believe is time to stop this foolish game of chasing illegals and start working for real how to give them a hope in their own land and make of them a real partner where everyone get benefits out of this merge of strenghts.
Using Spain as a proxy for Mexico: once the former country got its 'house in order' (rule of law, etc); then it was rewarded with entry into the EU complete with the Euro, open borders, etc.

The ball is in Mexico's court----------it has to bring itself up to US standards first. Read that reform and enforce its tax laws, reign in corruption, play hard ball with the drug lords, etc.
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Old 02-18-2008, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Cairo - Egypt
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Originally Posted by sassyone View Post
Baraa
I am female as you and I'm glad that you have chosen to stay on the forum
It's nice having you here.
Sassy

sassy
I apologize for my misunderstanding.
I read nicknames and I do not understand the English language well so how in english symbolism?
But I always try to understand.
I very much appreciate your words and I am happy with nice and Respectable talk.
I am happy that I am there with all in this forum.
Thank you sassy.
Thank you for all.
Baraa

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Old 02-18-2008, 03:22 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Originally Posted by CATOGAMO View Post
As a brand new American , is hard to mark the line when it comes to determine who is right and who is not. America was built by foreigners, ultimately called immigrants like almost everyone in America, only local people left are managing casinos in their reservations. I want to bring a solution, I am not here to hate nobody. Immigrants have been coming to America, almost all of them working really hard to make it right for their families. Biggest difference nowdays is, immigrants comes separated, not as a family unit that is why they are sending huge amounts of money to feed their families overseas. That is not good for any country, the money should be invested in the USA over and over again and this is what kept America been strong. We have to stop the illegal alliens, the solution is not building a wall or fencing the borderlines, nothing could be more stupid. We have to keep the mexican side busy and I really mean it, lets transfer business into Mexico to compete againts oriental makers with extremely low costs, I am not saying lets pay mexicans a ridiculous wage... Mexico would take care of its own population and will enlarge the size and penetration of bussiness entrepeneurs in the hispanic country. This would make of Mexico a real partner of the Trade Agreement but in a real way, producing their own products and supporting the US as a real partner, if you dont understand me, look what the EU has become, a big club where all members stick together for the wealth of the entire Union.
I believe is time to stop this foolish game of chasing illegals and start working for real how to give them a hope in their own land and make of them a real partner where everyone get benefits out of this merge of strenghts.
As a "new" American, and I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you migrated to my country legally, you should be angry as hell at my government for making you jump through hoops to become a U.S. citizen while it conspires to hand out the rights of American citizens to people in this country illegally like they were yesterday's stale Halloween candy.

You may not realize this, but Mexico could be a country that could easily support its own citizens if its government were not so corrupt. Japan has said that if they owned Mexico with its numerous natural resources, they would be the richest nation on Earth.

BTW, if the EU is so great, why is great Britain dying to get out?
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Old 02-18-2008, 03:23 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Baraa Elkhateeb View Post
sassyone
I apologize for my misunderstanding.
I read nicknames and I do not understand the English language well so how in english symbolism?
But I always try to understand.
I very much appreciate your words and I am happy with nice and Respectable talk.
I am happy that I am there with all in this forum.
Thank you sassy.
Thank you for all.
You are always welcome on this forum, Mr. Elkhateeb--- your English is not perfect, but we do understand you well. Perfect English is not required for success in the United States. We have a leader, our President, whose English is FAR from perfect, and he occasionally even invents NEW words, never heard before. Yet we all understand him, even when we wish we didn't. We have no problem understanding you, either......so continue to bring us your thoughts and ideas....
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Old 02-18-2008, 03:32 PM
 
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Using Spain as a proxy for Mexico: once the former country got its 'house in order' (rule of law, etc); then it was rewarded with entry into the EU complete with the Euro, open borders, etc.

The ball is in Mexico's court----------it has to bring itself up to US standards first. Read that reform and enforce its tax laws, reign in corruption, play hard ball with the drug lords, etc.
CATOGAMO, I agree with this post above. The US is VERY reluctant to go into any equal partnership with Mexico, much in the same way that the members of the EU are VERY wary of admitting Turkey. To put it crudely, they just don't "trust" Turkey. Its standards of societal freedoms and human rights is just too different from that of Western Europe...at least at this point.
(Someday, when Europe has a Muslim majority, or the US has a Hispanic majority, these objections may disappear...but many people are VERY pessimistic about the changes this will bring in their systems of law and government....UNLESS there is a sudden and massive assimilation by these groups--which looks pretty doubtful)..
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Old 02-18-2008, 03:43 PM
 
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Kele, instead giving me the benefit of the doubt, you should congratulate me as a new US citizen. I gained citizenship legally, and it does bother me when someone just "jumps" over the borderline and complains for rights...thats is ridiculous and I fully support the govermment about not granting them any right untill they do things right.
Now the comparison about the EU and the US regarding Mexico, is because we need to keep them busy in their own country, this is not about lifting walls and spending billions on issues that never fades aways, is becoming an endless nightmare, dont you agree? is time to do something else than deporting them to Mexico, wasting our time and taxes in a problem that needs a solution right away. Have a great day and God bless America.
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Old 02-18-2008, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Cairo - Egypt
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You are always welcome on this forum, Mr. Elkhateeb--- your English is not perfect, but we do understand you well. Perfect English is not required for success in the United States. We have a leader, our President, whose English is FAR from perfect, and he occasionally even invents NEW words, never heard before. Yet we all understand him, even when we wish we didn't. We have no problem understanding you, either......so continue to bring us your thoughts and ideas....

Dear mac
I strongly affected with every word uttered You.
Many laughed talk about your president
Did you know :
If I said such talk i will enter prison in my country.
If your president occasionally even invents NEW words, never heard before ,the President of my country Always hoaxr words.
Thank you .
Thank you for all .
I thank God because I talked with people like you .
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Old 02-18-2008, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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CATOGAMO, I agree with this post above. The US is VERY reluctant to go into any equal partnership with Mexico, much in the same way that the members of the EU are VERY wary of admitting Turkey. To put it crudely, they just don't "trust" Turkey. Its standards of societal freedoms and human rights is just too different from that of Western Europe...at least at this point.
(Someday, when Europe has a Muslim majority, or the US has a Hispanic majority, these objections may disappear...but many people are VERY pessimistic about the changes this will bring in their systems of law and government....UNLESS there is a sudden and massive assimilation by these groups--which looks pretty doubtful)..
Turkey=Mexico are an excellent analogy, yes.

As for 'Islam'; moderate Muslims have more in common with moderate Christians, Jews, etc. compared to the 'Islamist' variety of 'Muslim' symbolized by Osama bin Laden, etc.
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Old 02-18-2008, 05:59 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Baraa Elkhateeb View Post
Dear mac
I strongly affected with every word uttered You.
Many laughed talk about your president
Did you know :
If I said such talk i will enter prison in my country.
If your president occasionally even invents NEW words, never heard before ,the President of my country Always hoaxr words.
Thank you .
Thank you for all .
I thank God because I talked with people like you .
I hope ALL of us note your words before we call for too much "multiculturalism", as many of us have. Are you LISTENING, everyone? Here's a man who can't SPEAK as freely as we do.....because of the LAWS where he lives...which are different from OUR laws. Let's recall this the next time we feel like calling for "Change"....Change from WHAT, to WHAT?....as Elkhateeb's post points out, SOME things in other cultures are fine, but SOME we wouldn't want here....such as the "culture" that protects itself by imprisoning those guilty of free speech.
"Be Careful What You Wish For", as we say here in the USA....and that goes for everything, including cultural change..

Thanks for your post--and for letting me "borrow" it....
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Old 02-18-2008, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I did indeed make note of that, macmeal, and I hope Baraa's presence here doesn't lead to any trouble for him in Cairo. We've certainly seen how China deals with the Internet.

Baraa, I would like to say that I am honored by your presence here, please continue to speak your mind freely, it is good for us 'spoiled' folks to see how good we really have it here.

Thank you.
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