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Old 05-29-2008, 06:00 PM
 
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I don't how you can be illegal and attend school. I was not allowed to go to school until I proved I had all shot inoculations and citizenship.
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Old 05-30-2008, 12:12 PM
 
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I'm not an extreme liberal, I am a moderate liberal who thinks the economic and social consequences of deporting "illegals" are greater than the costs we have to bear when we accept "illegals" into our society. In other words, I think that in 2008, immigrants - whether legal or illegal - are good for this country and that we would be running ourselves into the ground by trying to enforce outmouded and extremely unaccomodating immigration laws. Are you people really serious that it shouldn't be our responsibility to educate the children of illegal immigrants who are here by no fault of their own? I most certainly think that any first world country has the responsibility of doing so. If we turn away children from out schools, we create social problems in the future with which we will eventually have to deal - and on which we will have to spend the money eventually - TENFOLD.
We're supposed to send them back to their home countries, period. They can go to school there; like in Mexico - Mexico has TONS of money; they should take care of their own people.

And, illegals do NOT pay taxes unless they steal a SS number, maybe yours!
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Old 05-30-2008, 12:57 PM
 
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I don't how you can be illegal and attend school. I was not allowed to go to school until I proved I had all shot inoculations and citizenship.
Those rules only apply if you are in the country legally - a child cannot even attend the first day of school until he or she can prove they have obtained ALL necessary immunizations. And despite that, my son was exposed to TB by attending school with children of illegal aliens. Apparently, they don't have to prove squat. Residency is another biggie - you have to provide at least two original utility bills (no rental agreements, no cable bills) to prove you live in the district here - if you're legally living in the US, that is.
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Old 05-30-2008, 01:12 PM
 
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How does this happen? I know that where we live, the administrators in the schools are extremely strict. They want to be sure that kids aren't in the wrong school district. Heaven forbid some kid is sneaking in from another school district for what is believed to be a better education. So with all of the hoops we have to jump through to get our kids into school, how do the illegals get their kids registered?
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Old 05-30-2008, 01:29 PM
 
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How does this happen? I know that where we live, the administrators in the schools are extremely strict. They want to be sure that kids aren't in the wrong school district. Heaven forbid some kid is sneaking in from another school district for what is believed to be a better education. So with all of the hoops we have to jump through to get our kids into school, how do the illegals get their kids registered?
I suspect, the same way they are getting 'free' emergency heath care, 'free' pre and post natal care, 'free' organ transplants, etc. You, Mrs. American Taxpayer, are paying for it.
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Old 05-30-2008, 01:41 PM
 
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Yes. This is a first world country and we have the responsibility of educating our citizens AND our future citizens, including children of illegals who were brought here by their parents at no fault of their own.
Fine. You are so happy to pay for their kids educations, so pay up! Pay it up so I don't have to! How in the world are we responsible for another nation's citizens education? Do you not understand that in the border towns, many of those illegal students don't have family in the US at all, they simply cross the border each day to attend school? The US in no way benefits at all from this. They are leaching, quite literally off of the citizens of this country. This is not justifiable in any way whatsoever.
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Old 05-30-2008, 03:14 PM
 
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I clearly cannot pay for this by myself, so I just support lawmakers who plan to pass the cost on to the American public, including to myself. Kids from border towns who cross to go to school in the US may be a valid example, but this describes a tiny minority of "illegal" students. Most of these students LIVE (whether illegally or legally) in the United States and plan to stay there; thus, it is the responsibility of our schools to educate these students. Failing to do so will produce alienated, disenfrenchased and uneducated people who this country will have to support in TENFOLD down the line. I'm glad to pay a little more in taxes to educate our future citizens and future productive members of society.
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Old 05-30-2008, 03:42 PM
 
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I clearly cannot pay for this by myself, so I just support lawmakers who plan to pass the cost on to the American public, including to myself. Kids from border towns who cross to go to school in the US may be a valid example, but this describes a tiny minority of "illegal" students. Most of these students LIVE (whether illegally or legally) in the United States and plan to stay there; thus, it is the responsibility of our schools to educate these students. Failing to do so will produce alienated, disenfrenchased and uneducated people who this country will have to support in TENFOLD down the line. I'm glad to pay a little more in taxes to educate our future citizens and future productive members of society.
I thought you were a student? Do you actually pay tax? I thought you had to have an income to do so.

BTW, I do not agree with your idea that we are obligated to provide ANY service for those who are here illegally, except to show them the EXIT sign. But I suppose you leave your door unlocked wherever it is you live, and if a homeless person shows up in your bed, instead of kicking him out you offer to put his kids through college, right?

Whether or not someone in this country illegally 'plans to stay' here is also beside the point - when I go to my neighbor's house uninvited and he asks me to leave, I can "plan to stay" all I want but will probably end up with a big boot mark on my butt.
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Old 05-30-2008, 04:42 PM
 
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I clearly cannot pay for this by myself, so I just support lawmakers who plan to pass the cost on to the American public, including to myself. Kids from border towns who cross to go to school in the US may be a valid example, but this describes a tiny minority of "illegal" students. Most of these students LIVE (whether illegally or legally) in the United States and plan to stay there; thus, it is the responsibility of our schools to educate these students. Failing to do so will produce alienated, disenfrenchased and uneducated people who this country will have to support in TENFOLD down the line. I'm glad to pay a little more in taxes to educate our future citizens and future productive members of society.
OR - here's an idea - keep them out of here in the first place and we won't have to support them in any form ever!

And why is illegal in parenthesis? Illegal is illegal, like it or not. Illegal, no matter what is NOT our responsibility. Is it Mexico's responsibility to educate our kids? Of course not! So why does the same not apply to us?

I'm sick of being bled out to support all these asinine policies and gov't programs via my tax dollars. We need to start spending our money on our own - we simply cannot afford to support non-citizens. Do you not understand this?! Our tax burden grows and grows, and this must be put to a stop! We've got our own issues and problems to take care of, those people must not be allowed to leach off of our system, our dollars, our citizens. Since when is it our duty to support everyone else? Economically, this is not viable! It's disgusting what is going on at the expense of our own citizens.
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Old 05-30-2008, 05:50 PM
 
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I'm not an extreme liberal, I am a moderate liberal who thinks the economic and social consequences of deporting "illegals" are greater than the costs we have to bear when we accept "illegals" into our society. In other words, I think that in 2008, immigrants - whether legal or illegal - are good for this country and that we would be running ourselves into the ground by trying to enforce outmouded and extremely unaccomodating immigration laws. Are you people really serious that it shouldn't be our responsibility to educate the children of illegal immigrants who are here by no fault of their own? I most certainly think that any first world country has the responsibility of doing so. If we turn away children from out schools, we create social problems in the future with which we will eventually have to deal - and on which we will have to spend the money eventually - TENFOLD.
Kindly explain how illegal immigrants are good for this country.
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