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Old 05-23-2008, 10:25 PM
 
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Great post, malamute.
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Old 05-23-2008, 11:20 PM
 
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I doubt his situation would have been any different had he been from Cuba or Venezuela. White is white, regardless of whether a person is from Latin America or Spain or the United States. That guy would have probably treated white Hispanics as his equals and would have been racist against non-white Hispanics, simple as that. It is not the least bit ironic to me that a Hispanic person was a white supremecist back in the day because like AzBear says, many Latin Americans / Hispanics are pretty racist and very pro-European.
Mostly those who have European backgrounds. Which is a minority in most Latin American countries, and in Latin America in general. There are the exceptions like Argentina, Uruguay, etc.

I can point out random facts just like AzBear too.

Mexico once had a black president, long before America paid attention to Obama.
Venezuela's Hugo Chavez is acually of part Afro-Latino ancestry.

There also many famous Afro-Latinos. Military generals, writers, musicians, athletes, etc.

As far as Latin-American attitude towards Blacks, I will say that Latin-Americans aren't as sensitive to what offends Black people as much as people here are in the U.S. I wouldn't compare it to the straight out hate felt in the historical southern United States, but just ignorance to whats acceptable.
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Old 05-24-2008, 09:47 AM
 
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As far as Latin-American attitude towards Blacks, I will say that Latin-Americans aren't as sensitive to what offends Black people as much as people here are in the U.S. I wouldn't compare it to the straight out hate felt in the historical southern United States, but just ignorance to whats acceptable.
Ignorance to what's acceptable?

IMO, treating people with "decency" shouldn't require much education or effort. Funny, they don't seem to have a problem being "sensitive" to what offends other races/ethnicities. Why are black people such an enigma?

If you cut us, we bleed ‘red’ blood. If you smile at us, we ‘generally’ will reciprocate. If you exhibit disdain for us, a similar response will usually ensue. It’s simply human nature.
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Old 05-24-2008, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Ignorance to what's acceptable?

IMO, treating people with "decency" shouldn't require much education or effort. Funny, they don't seem to have a problem being "sensitive" to what offends other races/ethnicities. Why are black people such an enigma?

If you cut us, we bleed ‘red’ blood. If you smile at us, we ‘generally’ will reciprocate. If you exhibit disdain for us, a similar response will usually ensue. It’s simply human nature.
We all bleed red when cut...........and, not just in the physical sense either.
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Old 05-24-2008, 12:50 PM
 
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Default Daring to be Honest....

I think what KTalley is 'fishing for', really, is a sign of America's wide-spread racism. It's there, it exists, and I see it. I'm in an interracial marriage myself, as are several of my family members. We have several of mankinds "colors" in our family. If you're looking for racism, it's there. Probably, some amount will always exist.

That being said, though, ktalley, I'll stick my neck out here and say that while we have a multiracial society, it IS a rather loose 'construct', and its continued existence, and its freedom, DO require some sort of "assimilation" by anyone who proposes to join us. And while I'm no racist, neither am I a true believer in multiculturalism. Cultures, by definition, at some point become "incompatible". If you subscribe to ONE, that puts you at odds with the OTHER. No, we're not talking about food, music, or 'styles'. But in values, ethics, and deeper issues, cultures aren't really interchangeable.

The fact is, that in our very "rare" and loosely-organized society, which exists mostly by our mutual consent, and 'gentleman's agreement', some 'newcomers' will arrive understanding the 'rules' better than others. An immigrant from France, Italy, Japan, or Taiwan...(all rather modern, 'enlightened' places) will have less 'assimilating' to do, and less adjustment to be made, than a new arrival from Afghanistan, New Guinea, Uzbekhistan, or Zaire. The society in these places is simply much more DIFFERENT from ours than that of the "First World", and that's a fact.

If anyone wants to twist the above statement around to sound 'racist', they're welcome to do so, and they won't be the first. But I stand by what I say. All races and ethnicities are welcome here, and can, and should, be given full rights and responsibilities. But cultures are different. Some are modern, inclusive, democratic, outward-oriented, and "forward"-looking, and can easily adapt to American life. Other cultures are xenophobic, backward-looking, vengeful, intolerant, and violent. Their members are welcome here, but if their goal is to become successful Americans, they have some major adjusting to do. If that's OK with them, I say "welcome", by all means. We have a culture here, and anyone who wants to, is eligible to join. It's called 'being an American", and its requirements are really few....but they DO exist. We're 'easy', but not 'cheap'...

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Old 05-24-2008, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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And; to run with macmeal's ball a bit further, not so terribly long ago, Taiwan, etc. were essentially Third World nations--------but, they took responsibility for themselves and became First World.

Hell; the standing joke about Ireland was they had too cold of a climate to be a Third World nation------and, we are only discussing 30-40 years ago. Modern Ireland is solidly First World------and, having an illegal immigrant problem along with wealthy Spain and Italy as well.
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Old 05-24-2008, 04:23 PM
 
Location: California
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Ignorance to what's acceptable?

IMO, treating people with "decency" shouldn't require much education or effort. Funny, they don't seem to have a problem being "sensitive" to what offends other races/ethnicities. Why are black people such an enigma?

If you cut us, we bleed ‘red’ blood. If you smile at us, we ‘generally’ will reciprocate. If you exhibit disdain for us, a similar response will usually ensue. It’s simply human nature.
I was talking incidents such as that cartoon character that offended black people.

You don't have to step on your soapbox. But I am curious to what indeceny you are referring to?
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Old 05-24-2008, 05:29 PM
 
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Two categories of immigrants are welcome.
1) Immigrants with money: Investors, traders...etc.
2) Immigrants with a brain: Exceptional people, scientists, engineers...etc.

America doesn't need more slaves, gangsters, consumers, communists, asylum seekers, or welfare collectors.

Immigration is an economic, social, cultural, ecological burden.

Population has tripled (+200%) since 1914.

Image:US Population Graph - 1790 to 2000.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Old 05-24-2008, 05:48 PM
 
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I was talking incidents such as that cartoon character that offended black people.

You don't have to step on your soapbox. But I am curious to what indeceny you are referring to?
The cartoon characters were indeed offensive, as intended. The Mexican government knew exactly what those images implied; as much as it would realize the inaptness of displaying a swastika on a stamp -- so please don’t patronize me. Mexico’s depiction of blacks has been traditionally negative; and the negative stereotypes are instilled in its citizens -- ergo, the feelings of ‘superiority’ exhibited toward black Americans by illegal Mexicans currently in this country. It would be laughable if not so tragic.

Indecency? You stated they are “ignorant” to what’s acceptable. I merely responded by offering my opinion of acceptable behavior, which involves treating people with decency.

Soapbox? Give me a break.

Back on topic. The race/ethnicity of "immigrants" is irrelevant. They simply need to be LEGAL, and necessary.
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Old 05-24-2008, 08:13 PM
 
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Back on topic. The race/ethnicity of "immigrants" is irrelevant. They simply need to be LEGAL, and necessary.
"Necessary" is certainly a key word in the entire controversy. Does America have the right, and the duty, to seek out, "interview", and then admit, those immigrants who are needed here, in workable 'numbers', and who are compatible with our security and well-being as a nation? Or is America not really a true society at all, but rather a huge, coast-to-coast "no man's land", belonging to the whole human race, whose only function is to provide a 'default' destination to anyone and everyone who wants to come here, no questions asked, and with America's residents having no moral right to object, because this would make them xenophobes and racists?

No, this isn't an attempt to sound sarcastic. In fact, that is EXACTLY the debate going on now, with BOTH positions having a large number of adherents. As is readily evident, these are two VERY different interpretations of "what's right"..
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