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Old 05-28-2008, 09:06 AM
 
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Government propaganda still works great after a century of world wars and financial scams.
I sometimes watch EuroNews, CNN, crappiest "news networks" ever. It brings you the "PRAVDA", the "truth", a.k.a. government gospel.
Today there was a special on illegal immigration, so they were trying to explain what a chance it was for rich countries like Britain and the United States.
It's hard to explain how bad is good, so they just made things up.
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Old 05-28-2008, 12:48 PM
 
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Tío, speaking Spanish doesn't mean you're not assimilated.
Excuse me? Of COURSE, it means you're not assimilated, IF you are speaking something other than English in the "public forum", whether it be school, a grocery store, any other kind of store, the court system, the hospital, etc.

Speaking the language is the biggest indicator of assimilation. Without that, you have nothing. You cannot be assimilated if you don't even understand what's going on around you, and need interpretation all the time, like you're a permanent tourist.
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Old 05-28-2008, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I hope you are talking about legal immigrants. Illegal aliens have no business being here.
ITA! I believe "immigrants" are assimilating. They actually came here legally (most), and want to become Americans. On the other hand, illegals are here to “earn money" and have no interest in assimilation or becoming American.

I have no problem with funds being used to assist immigrants. However, I have a HUGE problem with taxpayer funds being used to aid and abet illegal aliens.
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Old 05-28-2008, 01:45 PM
 
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Excuse me? Of COURSE, it means you're not assimilated, IF you are speaking something other than English in the "public forum", whether it be school, a grocery store, any other kind of store, the court system, the hospital, etc.

Speaking the language is the biggest indicator of assimilation. Without that, you have nothing. You cannot be assimilated if you don't even understand what's going on around you, and need interpretation all the time, like you're a permanent tourist.
Nope. My first language is English, as I was born and raised in the United States; however, I sometimes choose to speak Spanish on the phone, at the mall, or at Latin American restaurants. I am fluent in both languages, and speaking Spanish doesn't mean that I'm any less American or any less assimilated.
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Old 05-28-2008, 02:35 PM
 
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Government statistics show that the "immigrants", whatever their status, are assimilating just as well as the Irish, Poles, Germans, etc. and that Los Angeles is in fact safer now than it was in the 50s. If you don't believe me, here's an image for you:



Only xenophobes and racists disagree!
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Old 05-28-2008, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Remember that the City of Los Angeles ranges from Chatsworth through Hollywood, then Watts on to San Pedro.
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Old 05-28-2008, 04:25 PM
 
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Remember that the City of Los Angeles ranges from Chatsworth through Hollywood, then Watts on to San Pedro.
Actually, that is more or less the point.

The very definitions of what constitues the categories of "serious crime" and "the city of Los Angeles" have changed to such an extent from what was meant in the 50s that when government statistics of this kind are arranged in a nice timeseries they become, at best, somewhat meaningless.

The same goes for the pollyanna rhetoric which asks us not to seriously question the legitimacy of the human tsunamai coming to America because, "The Irish and Italians assimilated proving the fearmongers of the 20s wrong." This kind of cheap moralizing should be dumped along with the LAPD's PR-sensitive"crime statistics".

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Old 05-28-2008, 07:48 PM
 
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Default English & Spanish

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Excuse me? Of COURSE, it means you're not assimilated, IF you are speaking something other than English in the "public forum", whether it be school, a grocery store, any other kind of store, the court system, the hospital, etc.

Speaking the language is the biggest indicator of assimilation. Without that, you have nothing. You cannot be assimilated if you don't even understand what's going on around you, and need interpretation all the time, like you're a permanent tourist.
I guess you had only read the first line of my post before you replied, eh.

Crisp444 explained it clearly.
As I mentioned in my previous post, just because someone is speaking Spanish doesn't mean (s)he doesn't speak English.
In the case of Hispanics in the US, fact is, most have English as their first language. The great majority of the 2nd generation does, as it had been with the Germans, Italians, and other non-English speaking immigrants to the USA.

It's the assumption that if someone speaks Spanish, then (s)he doesn't speak English (very well) which is being used by those jesters saying that a whole generation of Hispanics are growing up without learning English.
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Old 05-28-2008, 09:50 PM
 
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Nope. My first language is English, as I was born and raised in the United States; however, I sometimes choose to speak Spanish on the phone, at the mall, or at Latin American restaurants. I am fluent in both languages, and speaking Spanish doesn't mean that I'm any less American or any less assimilated.
If a group of Americans went illegally into Mexico and demanded services be provided them in English, waved their American flags, celebrated all the American holidays, and never bothered to learn Spanish, I'd say they weren't trying to assimilate either.

Let's ask the American Indians if it's always a guarantee that groups moving in will automatically assimilate. Assimilations requires that the new group learn the cultural values of the existing group and that is not always the case at all.
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Old 05-28-2008, 09:52 PM
 
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Government statistics show that the "immigrants", whatever their status, are assimilating just as well as the Irish, Poles, Germans, etc. and that Los Angeles is in fact safer now than it was in the 50s. If you don't believe me, here's an image for you:



Only xenophobes and racists disagree!
Only some people believe the government's every last word.

The government has sold out to the cheap labor interests. Unlimited and massive illegal immigration is all about getting the cheapest possible labor. That's really all it's about.
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