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It's misleading to lump all immigrants together. Undocumenteds are not the same, and have not earned the same, status as the documented and legal.
I think many apologists for the undocumented are seeking to blur the lines, and in effect helping the true xenophobes to poison the public against legals. Which should be any immigration policy's #1 priority: Legals should have priority, and more protection and rights, than undocumenteds and illegals.
It's misleading to lump all immigrants together. Undocumenteds are not the same, and have not earned the same, status as the documented and legal.
I think many apologists for the undocumented are seeking to blur the lines, and in effect helping the true xenophobes to poison the public against legals. Which should be any immigration policy's #1 priority: Legals should have priority, and more protection and rights, than undocumenteds and illegals.
Don't be so quick to judge....some 'categories' require elaborate qualifications, while others include just about anyone who decides to join. It's my belief that an "immigrant" is understood to mean a LEGAL immigrant, just as a "Houseguest" is presumed to be so, at the host's invitation..
But we can't take this for granted. For example, a person may draw thousands of pictures, over many years, and folks will still INSIST "He's no artist, that's for sure". But even the most inept, bumbling 'clod' can EASILY assume the label of "rapist" or "gunman"...even on his VERY FIRST DAY, no training required.
Immigrant?....I'll ALWAYS believe it means 'legal'. Otherwise, you're not legally an immigrant, you're a trespasser. But that's just me....
Illegal immigration needs to be figured out, and worked on, but dehumanizing the immigrants, making them look evil, and just encouraging anger towards these people makes me feel uncomfortable.
I have been called "pro-illegal" so many times, been told about "my side", and how my comments show my " groups desperation". Fact is, I speak out in support of the people on a more humanitarian level. I don't support or encourage illegal immigration as much as I can just relate to people trying to make it in the world.
I'm uncomfortable as an American of MEXICAN descent, because I see more and more that its becoming okay to badmouth Latinos, who have been a disadvantaged minority group in this country for decades.
People are trying to justify their beliefs and attitudes towards Latinos by trying to completely undermine the groups identity.
"Technically, on the census theyre listed under 'White', so..."
"Argentina has people of European Descent!"
"Miami has rich white Cubans"
"the KKK had a member who's family was from Spain"
I see the Latino identity being attacked to make it ok. I also see the issue of illegal immigration being used to further marginalize Latino issues in this country. And that worries me.
The line between being against illegal immigration and being anti-Hispanic is very blurred in my opinion. Ive seen people drift across that line on several instances, then quickly try to cover by saying, "but I'm not against hispanics or anything!"
Or they talk about that Mexican restaurant they go to all the time, or their vacations in Cancun.
Most of the anti-Latino sentiment is hidden(sometimes badly). Its hidden because its still politically incorrect to show anti-Latino attitudes.
But slowly, it seems like the illegal immigration debate is slowly making it ok to be anti-Latino.
[quote=macmeal;3931239]Don't be so quick to judge....some 'categories' require elaborate qualifications, while others include just about anyone who decides to join. It's my belief that an "immigrant" is understood to mean a LEGAL immigrant, just as a "Houseguest" is presumed to be so, at the host's invitation..
But we can't take this for granted. For example, a person may draw thousands of pictures, over many years, and folks will still INSIST "He's no artist, that's for sure". But even the most inept, bumbling 'clod' can EASILY assume the label of "rapist" or "gunman"...even on his VERY FIRST DAY, no training required.
Immigrant?....I'll ALWAYS believe it means 'legal'. Otherwise, you're not legally an immigrant, you're a trespasser. But that's just me....[/quote]
An immigrant is someone who come to this country from another hoping to settle.
Some do it legally, some do it illegally.
But thats what they are. Immigrants.
Immigrant doesn't sound like a criminal enough, so people like to use stronger words. Immigrant just doesn't fit in well enough with rapists, murderers, thiefs, and other criminals these people are compared with.
Don't be so quick to judge....some 'categories' require elaborate qualifications, while others include just about anyone who decides to join. It's my belief that an "immigrant" is understood to mean a LEGAL immigrant, just as a "Houseguest" is presumed to be so, at the host's invitation..
But we can't take this for granted. For example, a person may draw thousands of pictures, over many years, and folks will still INSIST "He's no artist, that's for sure". But even the most inept, bumbling 'clod' can EASILY assume the label of "rapist" or "gunman"...even on his VERY FIRST DAY, no training required.
Immigrant?....I'll ALWAYS believe it means 'legal'. Otherwise, you're not legally an immigrant, you're a trespasser. But that's just me....[/quote]
An immigrant is someone who come to this country from another hoping to settle.
Some do it legally, some do it illegally.
But thats what they are. Immigrants.
Immigrant doesn't sound like a criminal enough, so people like to use stronger words. Immigrant just doesn't fit in well enough with rapists, murderers, thiefs, and other criminals these people are compared with.
Do us all a favor; please:
Quit lumping in law abiding, legal immigrants with the lawbreaker variety to make the latter look better. Too; illegals are a slap in the face of those who 'played by the rules'
Us anti illegal immigration people are onto you guys' game------it is not working anymore
Quit lumping in law abiding, legal immigrants with the lawbreaker variety to make the latter look better. Too; illegals are a slap in the face of those who 'played by the rules'
Us anti illegal immigration people are onto you guys' game------it is not working anymore
It is what it is!
Someone driving their car and someone driving their car without a drivers license are both driving their cars.
Your desperation is showing in your defense of illegal immigrants because attitudes are becoming harsher against those lawbreakers.
desperationnnnnnn....again, you have caught me, Bear. My desperation must be so strong you can taste it.
You usually throw out the D-word when someones arguing a point with you. All I said was an immigrant is an immigrant. Theyre both here for the same reasons, illegal or not.
The only desperation I see is among non-Latinos who think they should be afraid of the fact that in 10-15 years or so, theres going to be a whole lot more AMERICANS of Latino descent.
I have no reason to be desperate. I am neither an illegal immigrant, or a xenophobe.
Those here illegally do not share the same level of respect for the nation they seek protection of that legals do, and tolerance of illegals is a desecration and injustice to the institution and to those who abide by those rules.
The bottom line is citizenship must be earned. It is not an entitlement. Some people understand this and show a respect to that reality. Others subvert it.
The solution must acknowledge and appreciate those who have proven they should earn the protection of the sovereign because they have submitted to that sovereign's jurisdiction by obeying its rules. To do otherwise would be inhumane.
Those here illegally do not share the same level of respect for the nation they seek protection of that legals do, and tolerance of illegals is a desecration and injustice to the institution and to those who abide by those rules.
The bottom line is citizenship must be earned. It is not an entitlement. Some people understand this and show a respect to that reality. Others subvert it.
The solution must acknowledge and appreciate those who have proven they should earn the protection of the sovereign because they have submitted to that sovereign's jurisdiction by obeying its rules. To do otherwise would be inhumane.
Beautifully stated
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