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Old 03-29-2010, 09:35 AM
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Location: Denver
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I have never met an illegal immigrant from Mexico who speaks French or Japanese. Hell most of them do not even have a great grasp of the English language, let alone French or Japanese. The odds that the illegal immigrant working minimum wage at the El Pollo Loco restaurant in East Los Angeles, speaks French or Japanese is slim to none.
Your focus is acute as it gets.

 
Old 03-29-2010, 10:37 AM
 
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And the irony is that English NOT Spanish is fast becoming the language to know everywhere. Even in the Arabic Middle East; English is making serious inroads against the indigenous tongue amongst the moneyed classes.

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Old 03-29-2010, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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'By 2025 every Chinese under 25 will speak English'



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Funny: the la raza crowd still keeps saying that Spanish is 'the' language to know.
 
Old 03-29-2010, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Apparently; the 'Spanish' being spoken by the younger generation in Miami is not good------------to the point that the Spanish language TV stations need to import anchors from Argentina, etc.

Exactly. In a couple more generations, they will have forgotten most of their Spanish. Assimilation will be complete.
 
Old 03-29-2010, 12:15 PM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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That's a very good observation. Several years ago, my nephew was "thrown in jail" over the weekend. On closer examination, though, he admitted that he'd actually walked from the squad car into the booking area, under his own power....nobody actually "threw" him.

Thanks for pointing this out...
You'd think that such expressions would not need to be explained to someone who appears to have a grasp for the language. I wonder what they would think of the expression "when the **it hits the fan"....
 
Old 03-29-2010, 02:00 PM
 
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Exactly. In a couple more generations, they will have forgotten most of their Spanish. Assimilation will be complete.
In the past, assimilation HAS been complete, urged along by a general societal pressure to "get on board, become an American, take up the culture of the country, and put the 'old ways' behind". That's been the unwritten 'code', and it more-or-less worked....up until about 30 years ago. That's the experience MOST of our ancestors faced, upon arrival here...including Hispanics.

Today, immigrants are told, "DON'T be in a hurry to get on board; DON'T let anyone tell you you 'must' do anything...DON'T be in a hurry to 'fit in'..." etc etc etc. They're told "celebrate your uniqueness, because you're not just an American, you're someone SPECIAL". Today, we don't emphasize our commonalities...we celebrate, emphasize, and dwell upon our differences. Each group is 'special and unique', and goes to great lengths to make sure all the OTHER groups know this....at which time, the OTHER groups then respond in kind. Even long-assimilated people are now searching out new ways in which it might be pointed out that THEIR group is somehow 'different'.

In today's society, is assimilation a 'given'? I don't see why. Assimilation is uncomfortable. It takes effort. If it isn't required, why would anyone want to make the effort? "Assimilate to WHAT", a new immigrant may well wonder...since there's little or no reason for him to change.

This may work well when times are good, and prosperity reigns. But will such a 'fragmented' society survive when things get 'tough'? No one knows...because we've never had a 'fragmented' society until very recently.
 
Old 03-29-2010, 02:08 PM
 
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You'd think that such expressions would not need to be explained to someone who appears to have a grasp for the language. I wonder what they would think of the expression "when the **it hits the fan"....
Sounds like it would not only be unsanitary and possibly a public health hazard, it may well cause an electrical short in the fan, and possibly even a fire. It just sounds like a mess.
 
Old 03-29-2010, 02:14 PM
 
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In the past, assimilation HAS been complete, urged along by a general societal pressure to "get on board, become an American, take up the culture of the country, and put the 'old ways' behind". That's been the unwritten 'code', and it more-or-less worked....up until about 30 years ago. That's the experience MOST of our ancestors faced, upon arrival here...including Hispanics.

Today, immigrants are told, "DON'T be in a hurry to get on board; DON'T let anyone tell you you 'must' do anything...DON'T be in a hurry to 'fit in'..." etc etc etc. They're told "celebrate your uniqueness, because you're not just an American, you're someone SPECIAL". Today, we don't emphasize our commonalities...we celebrate, emphasize, and dwell upon our differences. Each group is 'special and unique', and goes to great lengths to make sure all the OTHER groups know this....at which time, the OTHER groups then respond in kind. Even long-assimilated people are now searching out new ways in which it might be pointed out that THEIR group is somehow 'different'.

In today's society, is assimilation a 'given'? I don't see why. Assimilation is uncomfortable. It takes effort. If it isn't required, why would anyone want to make the effort? "Assimilate to WHAT", a new immigrant may well wonder...since there's little or no reason for him to change.

This may work well when times are good, and prosperity reigns. But will such a 'fragmented' society survive when things get 'tough'? No one knows...because we've never had a 'fragmented' society until very recently.
You are so correct in your summation of how assimilation was desirable prior to 30 years ago but today we have become a fragmented society instead.
 
Old 03-29-2010, 02:18 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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In the past, assimilation HAS been complete, urged along by a general societal pressure to "get on board, become an American, take up the culture of the country, and put the 'old ways' behind". That's been the unwritten 'code', and it more-or-less worked....up until about 30 years ago. That's the experience MOST of our ancestors faced, upon arrival here...including Hispanics.

Today, immigrants are told, "DON'T be in a hurry to get on board; DON'T let anyone tell you you 'must' do anything...DON'T be in a hurry to 'fit in'..." etc etc etc. They're told "celebrate your uniqueness, because you're not just an American, you're someone SPECIAL". Today, we don't emphasize our commonalities...celebrate and dwell upon our differences.

In today's society, is assimilation a 'given'? I don't see why. Assimilation is uncomfortable. It takes effort. If it isn't required, why would anyone want to make the effort? "Assimilate to WHAT", a new immigrant may well wonder...since there's little or no reason for him to change.

This may work well when times are good, and prosperity reigns. But will such a 'fragmented' society survive when things get 'tough'? No one knows...because we've never had a 'fragmented' society until very recently.
Thats a great assesment of History...Whos History though? Not America's.

The facts are...that for more than 150 years people of color have been fighting to assimilate into the American Culture only to be systematically turned back in so many ways.

Assimilation into Education, Medicine, Politics, employement, Housing, Sports, the Arts and so on and so on and so on.

So your claim that immigrants are not willing, or not fast enough to assimilate to your liking, rings hollow in the Light of facts.
 
Old 03-29-2010, 02:21 PM
 
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Thats a great assesment of History...Whos History though? Not America's.

The facts are...that for more than 150 years people of color have been fighting to assimilate into the American Culture only to be systematically turned back in so many ways.

Assimilation into Education, Medicine, Politics, employement, Housing, Sports, the Arts and so on and so on and so on.

So your claim that immigrants are not willing, or not fast enough to assimilate to your liking, rings hollow in the Light of facts.
They have been turned back in what ways? All we ask is that they assimilate into our culture and language while still retaining their native ones at home if they so choose.
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