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They are getting the nation they deserve . I remember Miami when it was a beautiful paradise very clean and movie stars lived there . Now it is not only not pretty but dangerous as well . They don't call it Little Havana for nothing . I do enjoy7 the fact that now Little Havana has to move over for Little Somalia . LOL. I hear Obama will bring in hundreds of 1000s more under refuge statas . Do you know what one ' earns ' in welfare when considered a refuee ? About $50 yr. when you count all the freebees .
Some parts of Dade County are still places where movie stars live, and some parts of Miami, which were likely built after the golden age you are thinking of, are dangerous (and were especially so in the 1980s due to the drug trade) - but I think it had to do with business ties and not simply letting in immigrants legally.
Plus this is a forum about illegal immigration, and in Miami's case the immigrants were all legal. This thread needs to be moved.
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They are getting the nation they deserve . I remember Miami when it was a beautiful paradise very clean and movie stars lived there . Now it is not only not pretty but dangerous as well . They don't call it Little Havana for nothing . I do enjoy7 the fact that now Little Havana has to move over for Little Somalia . LOL. I hear Obama will bring in hundreds of 1000s more under refuge statas . Do you know what one ' earns ' in welfare when considered a refuee ? About $50 yr. when you count all the freebees .
I lived in Miami and in reality, many people who don't fit the mold there are going to have a rough time. It's now a Cuban city ran by Cubans for Cubans. I wasted 2 years of my life in that god-forsaken city that I will never get back. I have never witnessed a city containing such a high count of complete and utter human scum.
malamute a Magyar?!? My father was a legal immigrant from Hungary.
Well -- imagine how Americans or other people living and benefitting from this great country will communicate when they all do as the Cubans and hang onto their own language and refuse to learn the language of this country.
There's a reason to have a common language but too many of the new immigrants coming now have no desire to learn English, assimilate and adapt to our ways.
You wonder why they bothered coming here in the first place, they want to live just like they did back home, remain separate from the rest of the USA but have access to all the government handouts -- of course.
There is no unity without a common language. Most immigrants from other countries do see the need to learn English and so they do - and they don't expect us to learn all their languages and dialects.
Imagine this - some guy from India here was BRAGGING about his country being the biggest English speaking nation on earth. He was commenting how in his country that people were learning the advantage in having a common language - and it was English and English is helping them advance and develop while here in the USA we're deciding to have groups that cannot speak with one another. And sadly there was nothing to say back because he is right - we're going backwards by encouraging various groups to hang onto "their own languages" and dialects, while other countries will become strong by having a common language and people in that country able to communicate.
Imagine this - some guy from India here was BRAGGING about his country being the biggest English speaking nation on earth. He was commenting how in his country that people were learning the advantage in having a common language - and it was English and English is helping them advance and develop while here in the USA we're deciding to have groups that cannot speak with one another. And sadly there was nothing to say back because he is right - we're going backwards by encouraging various groups to hang onto "their own languages" and dialects, while other countries will become strong by having a common language and people in that country able to communicate.
Memo to the multiculturalists: follow (E) Indian way here in the USA
Imagine this - some guy from India here was BRAGGING about his country being the biggest English speaking nation on earth. He was commenting how in his country that people were learning the advantage in having a common language - and it was English and English is helping them advance and develop while here in the USA we're deciding to have groups that cannot speak with one another. And sadly there was nothing to say back because he is right - we're going backwards by encouraging various groups to hang onto "their own languages" and dialects, while other countries will become strong by having a common language and people in that country able to communicate.
yes....but at least we'll be a "fun" society. Being strong and united isn't everything....
PS....a few years back, I recall having read that India published more books, in English, than any other country on earth. Partially due to the widespread use of English, I suppose...plus the huge population. English is a VERY important language in India, and often allows people from distant parts of the country to communicate with each other when they otherwise couldn't.
Malamute: Did you use an automatic translator, or do you really know the language? (I suspect the former)
As an aside, City-data.com is a private internet forum and it could say "we only accept posts in English" - But the federal and state governments, to my knowledge, cannot force business owners to put signs in English or to provide services to English. I'll look up some court cases and I'll see what I can find.
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Wrong ! Many of the people in Miami came over illegally and everyone knows it ! Just because they were given amnesty doesn't mean they weren't illegals before they touched shore . Even the cubans laugh and know this .
Remove post because you don't agree with others ?
There are people who illegally crossed into the United States via Florida (AFAIK they are mostly Haitians) and people who crossed legally but had visas expire.
However, Pappy, the point is that illegal immigration is not the cause of the language issues in Miami. If it were documented as the main factor or even a significant factor of the language issues, then maybe there would be a point to keeping this thread in the illegal immigration forum. But that isn't the case, so this thread belongs in another place. The language issues in Miami have to do with unique business ties, not illegal immigration.
BTW "Remove post because you don't agree with others ?" is wrong - you should have said "Move post to the right place because this thread is irrelevant to the illegal immigration debate"
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Well -- imagine how Americans or other people living and benefitting from this great country will communicate when they all do as the Cubans and hang onto their own language and refuse to learn the language of this country.
The Miami school district still teaches in English - it's just that the people who know both English and Spanish in Miami are preferring to speak Spanish amongst themselves. It leaves people who only know English out of the loop somewhat.
Malamute: Did you use an automatic translator, or do you really know the language? (I suspect the former)
As an aside, City-data.com is a private internet forum and it could say "we only accept posts in English" - But the federal and state governments, to my knowledge, cannot force business owners to put signs in English or to prove services to English. I'll look up some court cases and I'll see what I can find.
There are people who illegally crossed into the United States via Florida (AFAIK they are mostly Haitians) and people who crossed legally but had visas expire.
However, Pappy, the point is that illegal immigration is not the cause of the language issues in Miami. If it were documented as the main factor or even a significant factor of the language issues, then maybe there would be a point to keeping this thread in the illegal immigration forum. But that isn't the case, so this thread belongs in another place. The language issues in Miami have to do with unique business ties, not illegal immigration.
BTW "Remove post because you don't agree with others ?" is wrong - you should have said "Move post to the right place because this thread is irrelevant to the illegal immigration debate"
The Miami school district still teaches in English - it's just that the people who know both English and Spanish in Miami are preferring to speak Spanish amongst themselves. It leaves people who only know English out of the loop somewhat.
Malamute: Did you use an automatic translator, or do you really know the language? (I suspect the former)
As an aside, City-data.com is a private internet forum and it could say "we only accept posts in English" - But the federal and state governments, to my knowledge, cannot force business owners to put signs in English or to prove services to English. I'll look up some court cases and I'll see what I can find.
There are people who illegally crossed into the United States via Florida (AFAIK they are mostly Haitians) and people who crossed legally but had visas expire.
However, Pappy, the point is that illegal immigration is not the cause of the language issues in Miami. If it were documented as the main factor or even a significant factor of the language issues, then maybe there would be a point to keeping this thread in the illegal immigration forum. But that isn't the case, so this thread belongs in another place. The language issues in Miami have to do with unique business ties, not illegal immigration.
BTW "Remove post because you don't agree with others ?" is wrong - you should have said "Move post to the right place because this thread is irrelevant to the illegal immigration debate"
The Miami school district still teaches in English - it's just that the people who know both English and Spanish in Miami are preferring to speak Spanish amongst themselves. It leaves people who only know English out of the loop somewhat.
Apparently; the 'Spanish' being spoken by the younger generation in Miami is not good------------to the point that the Spanish language TV stations need to import anchors from Argentina, etc.
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