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View Poll Results: What should happen?
He/they should be deported after his graduation 41 58.57%
He/they should be given amnesty due to his academic achievements and skills 17 24.29%
He/they should be granted asylum due to the hardship they may face back in Armenia 3 4.29%
A "private bill" should be passed, allowing them to stay 2 2.86%
Other 7 10.00%
Voters: 70. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-08-2008, 12:29 PM
 
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Valedictorian's academic plans threatened by deportation - CNN.com

What do you think? Should he and his family be deported ten days after his graduation, as is ICE's current plan? Should he/they be given amnesty due to his accomplishments and skills? Should he/they be granted asylum due to the possible trouble they could face in Armenia, if forced to move back? Should Dianne Feinstein attempt to pass a "private bill" to allow his family to stay in the US? Do you think that the student should be allowed to stay in the US, since this is where he grew up and is the only country he's ever known, but that his parents should be deported back to Armenia? Are there any other scenarios you think would be appropriate?

I obviously welcome any comments, whether positive or negative. I'd like to see what people think about this particular case, since it's not your typical illegal alien situation. The kid is not Hispanic, he is well educated and he has academic and employable skills, he is obviously a hard worker, he only speaks English, and he is here because of his parents' bad decision to overstay their visas, not through any fault of his own. I'm not condoning or condemning him or the actions of his family. I'd just like to get a public opinion on this specific case.

I'm new to city-data, and I don't yet know all "the regulars'" stances on illegal immigration. So, please forgive me if this topic has already been discussed.

Being clever doesn't make your crimes any better.

This kid could be a real asset to his own country. Brain drain is one reason there is so much instability in the world, as we siphon off the smart ones and leave the dumb ones.
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Old 06-08-2008, 12:30 PM
 
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Immigration should be about a true desire to be an American, about loving this country and breaking it's laws does not indicate any love or respect.
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Old 06-08-2008, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Being clever doesn't make your crimes any better.

This kid could be a real asset to his own country. Brain drain is one reason there is so much instability in the world, as we siphon off the smart ones and leave the dumb ones.
In all fairness; many of the smart people come here legally as well.

Likes attract likes---------people with First World values (of any race/ethnicity) prefer to live in like minded societies unlike Third World/ghetto countries.
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Old 06-08-2008, 01:09 PM
 
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Immigration should be about a true desire to be an American, about loving this country and breaking it's laws does not indicate any love or respect.
Yes it should be about that. Illegal aliens do not want any part of that. They want to come here illegally-not play by the rules and sit it out until the next amnesty is granted. Cut in line in front of all those who have come here legally and done it the right way. Just to get all their freebies off of the back of hard working Americans and legal immigrants and to celebrate their culture here while sending billions of dollars back "home". Being an American is the last thing that illegals want.

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Old 06-08-2008, 01:52 PM
 
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My question is this,
Why are we so inviting and more tolerant to the Cubans coming here and living the American dream but not so tolerant of other countries wanting the same priviliges as the Cubans? Shouldn't the law apply to ALL and not a select few?
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Old 06-08-2008, 02:10 PM
 
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Yes it should be about that. Illegal aliens do not want any part of that. They want to come here illegally-not play by the rules and sit it out until the next amnesty is granted. Cut in line in front of all those who have come here legally and done it the right way. Just to get all their freebies off of the back of hard working Americans and legal immigrants and to celebrate their culture here while sending billions of dollars back "home". Being an American is the last thing that illegals want.

Nicolem
I saw a news clip a few yrs ago where INS had bussed some illegals back over the border to Mexico. The illegals were seen laughing as they thought being returned to Mexico was a joke because they knew they would attempt to cross back over again illegally. Until we step up enforcement we will get little respect from illegal immigrants.
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Old 06-08-2008, 04:45 PM
 
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He should be returned to his home country. One of the many reasons Third World countries never seem to get it together is the 'brain drain'- anyone who is smart and well educated leaves for a First World country. He is obviously bright and on the ball, his home country needs him far more than we do.
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Old 06-08-2008, 06:31 PM
 
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He should be returned to his home country. One of the many reasons Third World countries never seem to get it together is the 'brain drain'- anyone who is smart and well educated leaves for a First World country. He is obviously bright and on the ball, his home country needs him far more than we do.
And if he later decides he truly wishes to be an American citizen, then he can apply for legal immigration, just like so many before him have.

He can go through the legal process. Rewarding criminal behavior only makes for more of it.
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Old 06-08-2008, 07:55 PM
 
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And if he later decides he truly wishes to be an American citizen, then he can apply for legal immigration, just like so many before him have.

He can go through the legal process. Rewarding criminal behavior only makes for more of it.
What is it? A misdemeanor? A felony? I dont believe it's any of those unless they have a prior removal. If it WERE a crime, then they would be entitled to representation (they aren't in many parts of the process) and due process (also missing). I get this information from some CLE's I've attended. Very superficial CLE's that don't provide too much detail except that it appears that immigration is a civil judicial process, not criminal.

If they were removed/deported and returned before they were permitted I understand it's a felony...
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Old 06-08-2008, 08:26 PM
 
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IMO, the parents should be fined the cost of his education and then all three deported.

His academic abilitys has nothing to do with the case. He is illegal and should be deported.
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