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Old 06-20-2008, 04:32 PM
 
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No. If you don't live in the city I'm talking about, and if you refuse to believe what you were supposed to have read by now in that Newsweek article, you enjoy living with your head in the sand like the other ostrich-sheeple. I know your M.O. I've read other posts you have made and you take pleasure in being contrary, the world you live in isn't the same one I do, you live somewhere between "the world according to blacknight and the land of the sheeple" meanwhile everyone else lives on planet earth. Keep ignoring the truth, and that big pink elephant that nobody wants to talk about in the city of Los Angeles.
*Sigh* Even your so called article doesn't support what you are saying

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The targeting of blacks by the Latino F13 appears to be an anomaly; experts say the majority of gang violence still involves a gang member and a victim of the same race. "On average, the violence just isn't race-based," says UC Irvine criminologist George Tita. "Our studies show there's no pattern of black-brown crime." Between 2000 and 2006 black offenders in south Los Angeles were more than seven times more likely to kill black victims, according to a study recently published by Tita and colleagues; Hispanic killers targeted fellow Hispanics twice as often.


Let me remind some of you what the meaning of anomaly is...

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  1. Deviation or departure from the normal or common order, form, or rule.
  2. One that is peculiar, irregular, abnormal, or difficult to classify
The conclusion is, there is no race war going on!!

Btw, why are some posters trying to make this an immigration issue when there is no reliable evidence to support such claims?
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Old 06-20-2008, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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This is a good video, because it gives you guys the truth on whats really going on .

As you can see, its not just Mexicans victimizing blacks, ethnic cleansing, or just antagonizing black people.
It goes both ways! Its LA! Bullets have been flying for years.

And as the cop said at 4:16 , statistics don't show any sign of a race war going on. Theres usually a gangbanger involved, and it rarely crosses race lines.

When they interviewed the Mexican boy who's friend got shot, he said something to the extent of, I ain't racist, but if I find the guy who did this I'm going to get him back.

Wouldn't that be a very unpopular thing to say if the overall mentality of Mexicans in LA would be to kill all black people, or whatever it is you guys are saying?


Ethnic cleansing is not going on.

Notice the video barely mentions illegal immigrants at all.

What it comes down to, is gangbangers crossing race lines, and normal people squabbling over the crappy resources in the neighborhood.

Oh yeah, and the media coming in and sensationalizing it making it much worse.
Of course the police deny a problem. Otherwise, they would be forced to admit their failures. They would also be expected to “do” something. Believe me; the Feds wouldn’t be involved if it were simply minor fracases between a few gangbangers.

Does it really matter “who” initiates the violence, or “who” gets the publicity? The fact is, people are dying at an alarming rate; and they are not all gang members. This may not be “new” to LA, but this particular dimension IS new.

Even if LA is the epicenter for the gang violence between blacks and Latinos; all of these gangs have membership in every major city in this country. Even small towns are now experiencing gang activity. Do you actually believe it won’t spread to other regions?

Do not allow your contempt for illegal alien opponents to blind you to this insidious problem. In LA, they are prohibited from asking the immigration status of criminals. Thus, we can neither confirm nor deny the magnitude of illegal alien involvement.
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Old 06-20-2008, 05:28 PM
 
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Driving through a predominantly gang controlled latino neighborhood could get ANYONE killed. It doesn't matter if you are black, white, latino, asian or green. The same goes for gang controlled black,white and asian neighborhoods.
I have never seen a white gang controlled neighborhood. And i have traveled all over America. You must be talking about the Italian and Russian mafia.
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Old 06-20-2008, 05:38 PM
 
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Of course the police deny a problem. Otherwise, they would be forced to admit their failures. They would also be expected to “do” something. Believe me; the Feds wouldn’t be involved if it were simply minor fracases between a few gangbangers.

Does it really matter “who” initiates the violence, or “who” gets the publicity? The fact is, people are dying at an alarming rate; and they are not all gang members. This may not be “new” to LA, but this particular dimension IS new.

Even if LA is the epicenter for the gang violence between blacks and Latinos; all of these gangs have membership in every major city in this country. Even small towns are now experiencing gang activity. Do you actually believe it won’t spread to other regions?

Do not allow your contempt for illegal alien opponents to blind you to this insidious problem. In LA, they are prohibited from asking the immigration status of criminals. Thus, we can neither confirm nor deny the magnitude of illegal alien involvement.
It matters to you obviously because you are blaming latinos for it.You and the anti-immigrant crowd want to make this about immigration so badly but the evidence doesn't just support such claims. Go ahead and blame the police for trying to "cover up" whatever imaginary thing you think they are covering up.
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Old 06-20-2008, 05:45 PM
 
Location: California
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Of course the police deny a problem. Otherwise, they would be forced to admit their failures. They would also be expected to “do” something. Believe me; the Feds wouldn’t be involved if it were simply minor fracases between a few gangbangers.

Does it really matter “who” initiates the violence, or “who” gets the publicity? The fact is, people are dying at an alarming rate; and they are not all gang members. This may not be “new” to LA, but this particular dimension IS new.

Even if LA is the epicenter for the gang violence between blacks and Latinos; all of these gangs have membership in every major city in this country. Even small towns are now experiencing gang activity. Do you actually believe it won’t spread to other regions?

Do not allow your contempt for illegal alien opponents to blind you to this insidious problem. In LA, they are prohibited from asking the immigration status of criminals. Thus, we can neither confirm nor deny the magnitude of illegal alien involvement.
So admitting there are murders, but not admitting they are race related because it would be seen as a failure of LAPD?

What does LAPD have to do with race relations?
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Old 06-20-2008, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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So admitting there are murders, but not admitting they are race related because it would be seen as a failure of LAPD?

What does LAPD have to do with race relations?
Murders are bad; but racially-motivated murders take it to another level.
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Old 06-20-2008, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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It matters to you obviously because you are blaming latinos for it.You and the anti-immigrant crowd want to make this about immigration so badly but the evidence doesn't just support such claims. Go ahead and blame the police for trying to "cover up" whatever imaginary thing you think they are covering up.
blacknight04: why do you keep lumping legal and illegal immigrants together?

What are you afraid of?

Face it: the actions of you pro illegal immigrant supporters are doing nothing but enraging mainstream America.
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Old 06-20-2008, 11:43 PM
 
Location: California
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Murders are bad; but racially-motivated murders take it to another level.
Most of these murders are GANG related.

I hope this doesnt get taken in the wrong way, but to be honest, I think even Jamiel Shaw's murder wasnt 100 percent race related.

I think it was mostly gang related.
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Old 06-21-2008, 08:50 AM
 
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I hope this doesnt get taken in the wrong way, but to be honest, I think even Jamiel Shaw's murder wasnt 100 percent race related.

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I agree with you. But I think that what happened to Jamiel Shaw was FAR more a product of racial hatred and intolerance, than the things that are "happening" to illegal immigrants...I'd say most of the unkindness directed toward illegals is "law-breaker related"....yet look at all the people who INSIST that "nope...it's just plain racial intolerance. You don't like illegals because they have brown skin."...riiiiiight....

Off the top of my head, I'd say the Shaw murder was 90% race-related, while the public's growing anger at illegal immigrants is perhaps 20% race-related. "Racism" is what we make it.....and yours may be different from mine, and mine may be different than "his".
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Old 06-21-2008, 10:14 AM
 
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I agree with you. But I think that what happened to Jamiel Shaw was FAR more a product of racial hatred and intolerance, than the things that are "happening" to illegal immigrants...I'd say most of the unkindness directed toward illegals is "law-breaker related"....yet look at all the people who INSIST that "nope...it's just plain racial intolerance. You don't like illegals because they have brown skin."...riiiiiight....

Off the top of my head, I'd say the Shaw murder was 90% race-related, while the public's growing anger at illegal immigrants is perhaps 20% race-related. "Racism" is what we make it.....and yours may be different from mine, and mine may be different than "his".
If that is so, then how come that same anger is not directed towards the employers also? Aren't the employers breaking the law also?
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