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Old 01-11-2007, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Journey's End
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While possibly exaggerated by Diaz, or rather the League, it is scientifically proven, that is social science not hard science, that when one is placed in an environment with different values, people will conform to the new environment to fit in. Perhaps this is what Diaz is referring to; but by taking it out of context and placing it in a container of blame is a distortion

You always have me thinking, kdizzle and questioning. This is good!

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Okay guys, here's a real whopper for ya! Check this out:

Americans are to blame for some illegal immigrants becoming serial crooks because “they’re picking up those bad habits of cheating, of drinking and drugs,” according to an official of a prominent Latino advocacy organization.

Jesse Diaz of the League of United Latin American Citizens made the claim on Monday during an interview on Dallas talk radio station KRLD, and then repeated them on Tuesday to WFAA-TV.

Diaz was discussing a federal study of 100 illegal immigrants with arrest records. The study found they had each been arrested and released six times on average.

When questioned about how living in America is responsible for them becoming serial lawbreakers, Diaz stood by his remarks, arguing that conservative Catholic values learned in Mexico start to break down once immigrants are in the U.S. Diaz pointed to an increase in teen pregnancies and broken homes in the immigrant community and also blasted the wearing of baggy pants.
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Old 01-11-2007, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Can you believe this is for real???
it's so stupid it's sort of comical. Nashville police arrested 14 members of the mb13 latino gang. I'll post a link shortly of all the gangs and you can check out their wealth... these gangs are millionaires.
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Old 01-11-2007, 10:51 PM
 
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it's so stupid it's sort of comical. Nashville police arrested 14 members of the mb13 latino gang. I'll post a link shortly of all the gangs and you can check out their wealth... these gangs are millionaires.
More like billionaires in the big picture I would say. MS-13 is the most powerful gang in all of the Americas (North & South). It originated in LA back in the 70's I believe, and it's original purpose was to protect latinos from the black gangs. Today it is a much different story. They are so successful because they are methodical and absolutely ruthless when dealing with problems. They run nearly all the prisons in the American west, all the way down to the tip of South America. They have infiltrated middle America over the past decade and have even found a strong presence in places one would never expect (Omaha, NE). Leaders of these gangs actually send out orders from prison--no joke! This is an incredibly serious threat to all American's personal safety and well-being.

Anyone who has never heard of this should have an understanding of what we are dealing with. There was an excellent documentary about the inner workings and history of this gang done by the show Explorer on National Geographic. Go check it out!
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Old 01-11-2007, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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check out the "Gang Wars Hall of Fame", each gang has its own link. Amazing how rich these gangs are.
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Old 01-11-2007, 11:06 PM
 
Location: South Bay, California
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and it's original purpose was to protect latinos from the black gangs. Today it is a much different story. !
They came together to protect young Salvadorean immigrants from Mexican gangs in Los Angeles, primarily the 18th street gang. They did not form to protect against black gangs. Mara Salvatrucha 13, is the full name, "Mara Salvatrucha", "street tough Salvadoreans." I know alot about California gangs because I research them. I understand MS13 is all over the Western Hemisphere, they are currently considered the most ruthless.
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Old 01-11-2007, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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More like billionaires in the big picture I would say. MS-13 is the most powerful gang in all of the Americas (North & South). It originated in LA back in the 70's I believe, and it's original purpose was to protect latinos from the black gangs. Today it is a much different story. They are so successful because they are methodical and absolutely ruthless when dealing with problems. They run nearly all the prisons in the American west, all the way down to the tip of South America. They have infiltrated middle America over the past decade and have even found a strong presence in places one would never expect (Omaha, NE). Leaders of these gangs actually send out orders from prison--no joke! This is an incredibly serious threat to all American's personal safety and well-being.

Anyone who has never heard of this should have an understanding of what we are dealing with. There was an excellent documentary about the inner workings and history of this gang done by the show Explorer on National Geographic. Go check it out!

Excellent post Kdizzle, they are ruthless for sure and they take no prisoners...they leave all prisoners dead.
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Old 01-11-2007, 11:20 PM
 
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They came together to protect young Salvadorean immigrants from Mexican gangs in Los Angeles, primarily the 18th street gang. They did not form to protect against black gangs. Mara Salvatrucha 13, is the full name, "Mara Salvatrucha", "street tough Salvadoreans." I know alot about California gangs because I research them. I understand MS13 is all over the Western Hemisphere, they are currently considered the most ruthless.
Yes, I've read conflicting stories with what they presented on National Geographic. They interviewed the founder and he said he created it as a gang to protect latinos against black gangs. Just going with what I heard, but I don't want to discredit what you said because I've read that as well.
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Old 01-11-2007, 11:22 PM
 
Location: South Bay, California
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Yes, I've read conflicting stories with what they presented on National Geographic. They interviewed the founder and he said he created it as a gang to protect latinos against black gangs. Just going with what I heard, but I don't want to discredit what you said because I've read that as well.
Ok, thanks for the information KDizzle! I sure could be wrong, I've seen the scenario I wrote on numerous Web Pages. But, I'd never heard the leader on National Geographic publicly saying this. I'm not sure if you are in California, but there is alot of racial tension between African American and Latino gangs in general.
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Old 01-11-2007, 11:32 PM
 
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Ok, thanks for the information KDizzle! I sure could be wrong, I've seen the scenario I wrote on numerous Web Pages. But, I'd never heard the leader on National Geographic publicly saying this. I'm not sure if you are in California, but there is alot of racial tension between African American and Latino gangs in general.
This man they interviewed was the founder of the gang, not their current leader, he is reformed as is really upset about MS-13 today. No, I'm not in CA, but I've read a lot about the tension between blacks and latinos. I recently quoted a Los Angeles Times article that was basically talking about a latino gang that was "ethnically cleansing" their community of blacks. I've read that a lot of it is the sentiment that Mexican immigrants are bringing in from living in Mexico, where blacks have been looked down upon and treated negatively for a long time and it continues today. Isn't it funny how we dwell on America's past, when apparently discrimination of this magnitude is pervasive in Mexican society today? It's an issue that needs addressing.
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Old 01-12-2007, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Near Charlotte, NC
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America is to blame - sort of. We are to blame for not electing officials with the backbone to put illegals in jail. For not electing officials who will mobilize armed National Guard Troops to protect our borders with 'shoot first' orders. For not electing officials who are dedicated to stopping this influx that is destroying our country.
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