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Old 08-14-2009, 03:45 PM
 
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Yes, unless the U.S. government stops them. I have have seen whole neighborhoods, towns and cities more closely resemble Mexico than Anglo America, in just a few years time. The latter is exactly what's happening to California.

 
Old 08-14-2009, 04:08 PM
 
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Yes, unless the U.S. government stops them. I have have seen whole neighborhoods, towns and cities more closely resemble Mexico than Anglo America, in just a few years time. The latter is exactly what's happening to California.
I've found that that chiefly happens in neighborhoods that have either large amounts of cheap apartments, or houses that are 1000 square feet or less. The latter especially because they lose their appeal to the original white buyers once they have a couple of children.

The most sustainable places have very few apartments and house that are 1500 to 2500 square feet.
 
Old 08-14-2009, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I've found that that chiefly happens in neighborhoods that have either large amounts of cheap apartments, or houses that are 1000 square feet or less. The latter especially because they lose their appeal to the original white buyers once they have a couple of children.

The most sustainable places have very few apartments and house that are 1500 to 2500 square feet.
Although; as time goes on, the above enclaves after about 50-60 years from originally being built start gentrifying--------especially if they have neat old houses (Craftsman Bungalows come to mind) along with sidewalks and mature vegetation.

More and more; Middle Class people, even with 1-2 children decide that the McMansion is too much hassle--------especially if it entails a long commute to work.

I am starting to see the 'ghetto' element move into a lot of the newer enclaves here in the Phx area leaving the once rundown neighborhoods for decent people of any race/ethnicity to restore
 
Old 08-14-2009, 04:20 PM
 
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anyone that discovers our laws are a paper tiger ---will takeover the US.
 
Old 08-14-2009, 04:23 PM
 
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Although; as time goes on, the above enclaves after about 50-60 years from originally being built start gentrifying--------especially if they have neat old houses (Craftsman Bungalows come to mind) along with sidewalks and mature vegetation.

More and more; Middle Class people, even with 1-2 children decide that the McMansion is too much hassle--------especially if it entails a long commute to work.

I am starting to see the 'ghetto' element move into a lot of the newer enclaves here in the Phx area leaving the once rundown neighborhoods for decent people of any race/ethnicity to restore
Tell me about it. Here in Houston, the ghetto has been encroaching on north Travis County for a while now.
 
Old 08-18-2009, 10:10 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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This is not a racial issue, it is a cultural one. And yes there will be a point in the future when America’s most dominant culture will be Hispanic. There will also be a time in the future when Europe’s most dominant culture will be Muslim. The figures are available online in the birth/death rates for anyone to do the math for themselves.
 
Old 08-19-2009, 04:01 AM
 
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This is not a racial issue, it is a cultural one. And yes there will be a point in the future when America’s most dominant culture will be Hispanic. There will also be a time in the future when Europe’s most dominant culture will be Muslim. The figures are available online in the birth/death rates for anyone to do the math for themselves.
I'm not so sure about the latter. Maybe in certain countries, but not Europe as a whole.

Europeans have the capacity to be much nastier than Americans as a whole. Just look at the history of 20th century Europe. When times go bad, Europeans often have gotten VERY nasty, violent, and intolerant towards their minority populations in a way far worse than the US ; case in point: 1933-45. Just because Europeans have generally been peaceful and cultured for the last few decades doesn't mean the old tendencies have been put to rest for good. If Europe turns against its Muslim immigrants, there will be a bloodbath. This can already be seen with the attacks on immigrants and racial minorities in Italy, not just by skinheads and common thugs but even by the Camorra.

In fact, it's not unrealistic to think of a situation in which America is flooded with Muslim refugees no longer welcome in Europe and begging for asylum, and not just the dregs of the banlieues but productive, assimilated people who just happen to have roots in North Africa or South Asia, with calls for the US to intervene to stop the violence.

"Far from enjoying the prospect of taking over Europe by having babies, Europe's Muslims are living on borrowed time. When a third of French voters have demonstrated their willingness to vote for Jean-Marie Le Pen's National Front - a party that makes the Ku Klux Klan seem like Human Rights Watch - all predictions of Europe going gently into that good night are surreal. "



THE 'EURABIA' MYTH- New York Post (http://www.nypost.com/seven/11262006/postopinion/opedcolumnists/the_eurabia_myth_opedcolumnists_ralph_peters.htm?p age=0 - broken link)

The problem then will be, will that Europe be anything we'd want to associate with?
 
Old 08-19-2009, 07:14 AM
 
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I'm not so sure about the latter. Maybe in certain countries, but not Europe as a whole.

Europeans have the capacity to be much nastier than Americans as a whole. Just look at the history of 20th century Europe. When times go bad, Europeans often have gotten VERY nasty, violent, and intolerant towards their minority populations in a way far worse than the US ; case in point: 1933-45. Just because Europeans have generally been peaceful and cultured for the last few decades doesn't mean the old tendencies have been put to rest for good. If Europe turns against its Muslim immigrants, there will be a bloodbath. This can already be seen with the attacks on immigrants and racial minorities in Italy, not just by skinheads and common thugs but even by the Camorra.

In fact, it's not unrealistic to think of a situation in which America is flooded with Muslim refugees no longer welcome in Europe and begging for asylum, and not just the dregs of the banlieues but productive, assimilated people who just happen to have roots in North Africa or South Asia, with calls for the US to intervene to stop the violence.

"Far from enjoying the prospect of taking over Europe by having babies, Europe's Muslims are living on borrowed time. When a third of French voters have demonstrated their willingness to vote for Jean-Marie Le Pen's National Front - a party that makes the Ku Klux Klan seem like Human Rights Watch - all predictions of Europe going gently into that good night are surreal. "



THE 'EURABIA' MYTH- New York Post (http://www.nypost.com/seven/11262006/postopinion/opedcolumnists/the_eurabia_myth_opedcolumnists_ralph_peters.htm?p age=0 - broken link)

The problem then will be, will that Europe be anything we'd want to associate with?
That is a possibility, but it is also possible that the UN would intervene on the side of the Muslims as was done in Serbia/Kosovo. The other problem is that the birth rate among traditional European cultures is not high enough to sustain the population, and governments being the tax consuming entities they are want to fill the void with bodies, regardless of race or culture.

We definitely live in interesting times.
 
Old 08-19-2009, 07:18 AM
 
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I'm not so sure about the latter. Maybe in certain countries, but not Europe as a whole.

Europeans have the capacity to be much nastier than Americans as a whole. Just look at the history of 20th century Europe. When times go bad, Europeans often have gotten VERY nasty, violent, and intolerant towards their minority populations in a way far worse than the US ; case in point: 1933-45. Just because Europeans have generally been peaceful and cultured for the last few decades doesn't mean the old tendencies have been put to rest for good. If Europe turns against its Muslim immigrants, there will be a bloodbath. This can already be seen with the attacks on immigrants and racial minorities in Italy, not just by skinheads and common thugs but even by the Camorra.

In fact, it's not unrealistic to think of a situation in which America is flooded with Muslim refugees no longer welcome in Europe and begging for asylum, and not just the dregs of the banlieues but productive, assimilated people who just happen to have roots in North Africa or South Asia, with calls for the US to intervene to stop the violence.

"Far from enjoying the prospect of taking over Europe by having babies, Europe's Muslims are living on borrowed time. When a third of French voters have demonstrated their willingness to vote for Jean-Marie Le Pen's National Front - a party that makes the Ku Klux Klan seem like Human Rights Watch - all predictions of Europe going gently into that good night are surreal. "



THE 'EURABIA' MYTH- New York Post (http://www.nypost.com/seven/11262006/postopinion/opedcolumnists/the_eurabia_myth_opedcolumnists_ralph_peters.htm?p age=0 - broken link)

The problem then will be, will that Europe be anything we'd want to associate with?
All good points there.

As what I bolded is especially plausible-----------too, that variety of 'Muslim' will quite likely assimilate as 'full on' Americans who happen to follow a very secular form of Islam.
 
Old 08-19-2009, 07:20 AM
 
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That is a possibility, but it is also possible that the UN would step in on the side of the Muslims as was done in Serbia/Kosovo.

We definitely live in interesting times.
The Kosovo Muslims are a different breed to cat compared to the Middle Eastern variety; the former like their schnapps, etc-----------which left the Iranian mercenaries aghast.
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