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Old 08-20-2009, 02:07 AM
 
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Oddly enough you are wrong. It was stopped between East and west Germany. Stopped between North and south Korea. It can and should be stopped here.
So you're saying we should emulate communist dictatorships..
Oh wait--now someone's just going to turn that one into an anti-Obama joke..

Those countries were trying to restrict emigration, not immigration..nobody is trying to migrate to North Korea. And there might be a little difference between our relationship and border with Mexico (one of our trading partners) and the antagonistic relationship between Cold War-era East and West Germany.

Nice try though.

 
Old 08-20-2009, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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We could boot you out back to Hungary. At least hispanics are indigenous to this continent. Europeans can go back to europe, even the half-gypsy ones.
Even Argentines? They are mostly White and all Hispanic.

Besides: if we are going to play your game; all Mestizos would need to leave the New World as well.

If you are insinuating that I am 1/2 Gypsy----------try again. My DNA test came back stating I am of 100% Euro White lineage.

Face it: to be extremely blunt----------to the victor goes the spoils. Besides; that Aztecs (to quote one easy example) beat up on weaker Indian tribes prior to Cortez.
 
Old 08-20-2009, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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So you're saying we should emulate communist dictatorships..
Oh wait--now someone's just going to turn that one into an anti-Obama joke..

Those countries were trying to restrict emigration, not immigration..nobody is trying to migrate to North Korea. And there might be a little difference between our relationship and border with Mexico (one of our trading partners) and the antagonistic relationship between Cold War-era East and West Germany.

Nice try though.
Do you have a problem with closing/locking our southern border? I certainly don't. We are a sovereign nation and if Mexico does not get it----------tough.
 
Old 08-20-2009, 09:30 AM
 
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So you're saying we should emulate communist dictatorships..
Oh wait--now someone's just going to turn that one into an anti-Obama joke..

Those countries were trying to restrict emigration, not immigration..nobody is trying to migrate to North Korea. And there might be a little difference between our relationship and border with Mexico (one of our trading partners) and the antagonistic relationship between Cold War-era East and West Germany.

Nice try though.
Israel is hardly a communist dictatorship and they are not trying to restrict emigration. The Israeli also would probably be willing to send over advisors to help us build a wall like theirs. Furthermore, if Mexico persists in using the US as a dumping ground for their unwanted poor people, perhaps we should reassess our relationship.

 
Old 08-20-2009, 03:09 PM
 
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When considering the US government's failure to drastically reduce the influx of illegal immigrants coming from Mexico and the high fertility rates of Mexican women, both legal and illegal, will our country eventually be taken over by Mexicans and Hispanics? Their population is increasing at an alarming rate and many of the illegal Mexican immigrants probably have no desire to integrate into society or consider themselves American.

Once they become a racial majority, will racial tension increase between Hispanics and whites, blacks, Asians etc? I honestly fear that once they become the overwhelming racial majority in California they'll feel more loyal to Mexico and try to succede from the US. Afterwards, racial tension will be on the rise and California will become a racial war zone followed by Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and possibly the rest of the US.

Racial tensions broke out between Hispanics and blacks in a Hispanic-dominated Los Angeles high school so will it eventually happen in the US once they become the racial majority?

Does anyone think this will occur? (I'm honestly scared that this could be possible)
Donīt use the word "Hispanics"...use the word "Mexicans"
 
Old 08-20-2009, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Donīt use the word "Hispanics"...use the word "Mexicans"
To run with your ball further: Mexicans are a nationality-------not a race.
 
Old 08-20-2009, 05:29 PM
 
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Oddly enough you are wrong. It was stopped between East and west Germany. Stopped between North and south Korea. It can and should be stopped here.
Are you serious with this statement?
 
Old 08-20-2009, 05:44 PM
 
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Nothing wrong with that. I'm sure native americans felt the same way when they were displaced by euro settlers. Human migration can't be halt, people move where the opportunity is. Simple.
SURE human migration can be 'halt'. Many countries take many steps to restrict entry. People DO move where opportunity is, of course....but the 'opportunity' we're offering here has gotten WAY out of hand. That opportunity can be reduced a LONG way, without us losing the 'moral high ground'...or 'becoming like a communist dictatorship'.

We're talking ILLEGALS here, not legal immigration. No one would object if a few thousand illegals were here...but when it rises into the millions, that's a different situation. Mexico is a big country. TEN PERCENT of Mexico is no longer in Mexico...they're here....a large number of them illegally. That's a pretty amazing situation, and it doesn't HAVE to continue, unless we allow it to; in most countries, it wouldn't.

Whether we decide to 'do something' or not about this, remains to be seen. But human migration CAN proceed in an orderly manner....it's not true to simply say it "can't be stopped". It depends on how much we WANT it stopped. (By the way, as far as I'm concerned, if we can reduce illegal immigration by 80 or 90%, I'll be happy...and I'll consider it 'stopped'..even if a few people still 'slip through'.) And who knows? If we reduced illegal immigration by 85%, Mexico MIGHT actually decide to DO SOMETHING to improve the lives of their poor. And even if they DON'T, they could hardly be any "angrier" with the USA than they already are. In fact, they MAY find that they even RESPECT us ....(they certainly don't seem to respect us NOW.)

Whether we do anything or not, of course, is up to us.

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Old 08-20-2009, 06:33 PM
 
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Israel is hardly a communist dictatorship and they are not trying to restrict emigration.
That's a whole other topic which really doesn't belong in this thread.

Israel has no problem implanting their citizens illegally in their neighbors' territory to a degree only matched in the nightmares of the most rabid anti-illegal people and the dreams of the most extreme Aztlanists, i.e. pushing their own poor population into their neighbor's territory and walling off the citizens of their neighbor, allowing only Israeli citizens to use designated roads, interfering with transportation and trade conducted by citizens of said territory, etc.

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Old 08-20-2009, 07:02 PM
 
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That's a whole other topic which really doesn't belong in this thread.

Israel has no problem implanting their citizens illegally in their neighbors' territory to a degree only matched in the nightmares of the most rabid anti-illegal people and most extreme Aztlanists, i.e. pushing their own poor population into their neighbor's territory and walling off the citizens of their neighbor, allowing only Israeli citizens to use designated roads, interfering with transportation and trade conducted by citizens of said territory, etc.
....and meanwhile, Israel's neighbors regularly 'gang up' on it and openly call for its demise; and a large number of Israel's citizens feel more affinity for Israel's (hateful) neighbors than they feel for their fellow Israeli citizens. The whole area is a nightmarish example of trying to run a free and 'democratic' society in the midst of a decidedly UN-democratic part of the world, and a shining example of the utter futility of the notion that 'multiculturalism' is a viable option for a society. The VAST majority of the turmoil of the area are directly related to religion and culture.

And yes, you're right....this is not really the topic of this thread.
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