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Old 08-24-2009, 10:36 PM
 
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My guess is it was thought that the italians coming intot hsi country would take over in the early 1900's too.

 
Old 08-25-2009, 12:26 AM
 
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I thought race wasn't a factor in all of this? So it is true that there is a fear of a less-White United States?

Yes it is true. I think we have more than enough diversity.
 
Old 08-25-2009, 05:16 AM
 
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Here, let them answer that question:


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Old 08-25-2009, 06:43 AM
 
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My guess is it was thought that the italians coming intot hsi country would take over in the early 1900's too.
Were there 20 million illegal Italian invaders that came over? There was no free lunch back then either such as welfare, etc. The immigrants back then came legally and assimilated. Not so with these illegal invaders of today.
 
Old 08-25-2009, 09:22 AM
 
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Were there 20 million illegal Italian invaders that came over? There was no free lunch back then either such as welfare, etc. The immigrants back then came legally and assimilated. Not so with these illegal invaders of today.
Was their assimilation the reason why the Know Nothing party was started? No. The reason why is because of the same irrational fear displayed today. First generation immigrants often don't assimilate well if they are adults when they come here. That makes sense. I remember in Switzerland meeting first generation immigrants to Switzerland. The American lady spoke English more often than French since nobody could understand her in French.The Congolese family still ate food from the Congo...in their shop they spoke mostly Lingala.

By second generation, even with illegal immigrants, we see that they have become pretty assimilated.
 
Old 08-25-2009, 09:34 AM
 
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What I thought was telling was that NEITHER side wanted to cooperate. That the nativists (for lack of a better term) did taunt and goad the younger guy. The eventual outcome happened; a polarization of the two sides occurred. The vision I see for America is one in which we do have at least a public option of healthcare and a culture of cooperation.
 
Old 08-25-2009, 01:20 PM
 
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My guess is it was thought that the italians coming intot hsi country would take over in the early 1900's too.
It took an Italian a small fortune and a major boat ride across a wide ocean to get here back then. It takes a Mexican a quick trip through a tunnel or over a sand dune to do the same now.

The US is probably the only place where the the first world directly borders the third world.

Just saying...
 
Old 08-25-2009, 03:54 PM
 
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It took an Italian a small fortune and a major boat ride across a wide ocean to get here back then. It takes a Mexican a quick trip through a tunnel or over a sand dune to do the same now.

The US is probably the only place where the the first world directly borders the third world.

Just saying...
All the more reason to close/lock our southern border.

Another First World nation with a direct land border alongside a Third World nation is Spain (Melilla) on the north African coast--------and, that group of Hispanics has it fortified.
 
Old 08-25-2009, 04:26 PM
 
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Was their assimilation the reason why the Know Nothing party was started? No. The reason why is because of the same irrational fear displayed today. First generation immigrants often don't assimilate well if they are adults when they come here. That makes sense. I remember in Switzerland meeting first generation immigrants to Switzerland. The American lady spoke English more often than French since nobody could understand her in French.The Congolese family still ate food from the Congo...in their shop they spoke mostly Lingala.

By second generation, even with illegal immigrants, we see that they have become pretty assimilated.
I have no idea who the Know Nothing Party is. No, the fear displayed today is over illegal immigration in uncontrolled massive number from mostly one ethnic group. Your comparison to the past doesn't cut it. I am not talking about legal immigrants who come in from various ethnic groups. You are incorrect about Latino immigrants both legal and illegal assimillating very well into our society. I live in Calif. and Latinos of all ages are speaking strickly in Spanish all the time. That isn't assimilating.
 
Old 08-25-2009, 06:33 PM
 
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no not 20 million, but really we cant compare the immigration of then to the one of now. the process is completely different. coming here legally back then was equivalent to stepping off a boat, giving your name (even changing it if you so desired), undergoing a cursory health check, detainment for a week or so, and voila given citizenship.

but if you do still want to compare immigration from then to now, well back then the PERCENTAGE of immigrants was HIGHER than what it is now.

so if you think its bad, you would have left the country in flash back then. people couldnt stop complianing about italians. and irish. and polish. and chinese.

dam i really tried to stay away from this thread.its just so silly. i really did resist for a long time. but dam the trolls dragged me under their bridge!!!!

anyhow, invasion! pffff

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Were there 20 million illegal Italian invaders that came over? There was no free lunch back then either such as welfare, etc. The immigrants back then came legally and assimilated. Not so with these illegal invaders of today.
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