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Old 06-23-2008, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Tennessee/Michigan
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WASHINGTON (AP) The Supreme Court on Monday turned down a plea by environmental groups to rein in the Bush administration's power to waive laws and regulations to speed construction of a fence along the U.S.-Mexican border.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff has used authority given to him by Congress in 2005 to ignore environmental and other laws and regulations to move forward with hundreds of miles of fencing in Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas.

High court rules in administration's favor on border fence - USATODAY.com
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Old 06-23-2008, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Maine
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A fence between the U.S. in Mexico has got to be one of the dumbest wastes of money in a long list of dumb, money-wasting ideas from this government.
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Old 06-23-2008, 02:42 PM
 
Location: PA
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A fence between the U.S. in Mexico has got to be one of the dumbest wastes of money in a long list of dumb, money-wasting ideas from this government.
I have a better solution have private groups like the minutemen run a fundraiser and built it faster and cheaper with donations. Then make the government do it's job and force the laws that are already on the books.
If your going to build a fence put in a moat as well and fill it with FL alligators. No more crossings. Anyone caught hiring illegals loses their business and the CEO goes to jail. End all welfare and hosipital services as well.
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Old 06-23-2008, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Anyone caught hiring illegals loses their business and the CEO goes to jail.
That right there would end 95% of the problem.

A fence is going to cost billions and do nothing.
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Old 06-23-2008, 03:08 PM
 
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Well it seems that they are doing what the law required them to do in the 80's. Anything is better than the no control. The dumbest was the thought that a few agents for thousands of miles was not a waste really.Israel's fence seems to be effective.
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Old 06-23-2008, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Israel's fence seems to be effective.
Compare the size of Israel with the size of California, Arizona, NM, and Texas.
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Old 06-23-2008, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Alexandria, VA
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Default The fence is effective if built the right way

A 10 foot fence that can be climbed is a dumb idea but a thirty foot double fence that would slow them down and have a no man's land between it with motion detectors will be a good idea.

Of course the best approach is make it impossible for them to work and most would stay home.
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Old 06-23-2008, 05:06 PM
 
Location: In a house
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The best approach is to simply enforce existing laws without hesitation. But the fence is a great gesture & should at the very least make the point that we are serious clear.
It dont need to be 30' high. Just plug it in. Put big old danger signs, in English, warning people not to touch it.
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Old 06-23-2008, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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A fence between the U.S. in Mexico has got to be one of the dumbest wastes of money in a long list of dumb, money-wasting ideas from this government.
By itself yes but as part of a larger effort to curb people sneaking in, erect it! But a fence alone will not work. We need much heavier penalties for employers caught hiring them and we also need a final amnesty for those already here. But it has to be made clear- NO MORE will be welcomed.
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Old 06-23-2008, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Kingman AZ
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A 10 foot fence that can be climbed is a dumb idea but a thirty foot double fence that would slow them down and have a no man's land between it with motion detectors will be a good idea.

Of course the best approach is make it impossible for them to work and most would stay home.
I have a large quantity of 31 ft ladders for sale.......
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